Oh vickilb that is just not nice !!! It is unfortunately oh so true !!!

Although I am an European exhibitor I have never heard about this judge. Have you tried to ask at FB?

Thinking of you at this time.

Patty, I can't see why not. It shouldn't be given every day, but now and then. And it should NOT be replaced with their regular food. Eggs have lots of good protein, and it's also a good source for riboflavin, B12 and phosphorus, and even selenium. I've seen only a few dog food brands with riboflavin in it, and I believe it's an important deal for dogs, as well for us humans.

Ok now I have to apologise for dragging this thread out the way I did, I just dont know how to do it properly :o ;)… I wanted to acknowledge everyone who did send good wishes, it was very much appreciated by me, so thanks to you all :D :D :D

Yes I know its another long-shot ;)… My Name: Jenni Palmer. My City/State: Hobart, Tasmania, Australia. Age of B: Just turned 2 years old, red/white female. Current Weight: Approx 10 kilo's. Weight of Parents: No idea, sorry. Medium sized sire and dam. Parents Health Tests: Both parents testing is on the breeders website. I havent done any testing on her as yet. Registration: Is with the ANKC, (Australian Reg body). She is currently on full/Main Registration, but will be sold on Limited Reg, and desexed. Age when can go: Now. Do I ship: Around Australia, but not O/S. Another hard decision to make. Vanda is for sale to a pet home only. She is a very sweet young lady, and a lady she is... She came to us as a pup, and was a very 'grown-up' pup. Rarely played, and was very serious, about everything. Then after I had the litter last year, she suddenly decided that being playful was actually great fun, and she hasnt looked back since :)... This young lady has a lovely temperament, is fine with other dogs, of either sex, raised with a cat, (and ignores it), and 2 girls, now 14 and 13 years old. Again, no flaming, this decision has been made in Vanda's best interests...

A few dogs are very sensitive to the ingredient in cocoa, but many aren't bothered in small amounts. The darker the chocolate, the more dangerous. Milk chocolate, or things with 'chocolate flavor' but not much real chocolate are not a problem…unless the dog is highly sensitive. Nicky, Ed and Topper loved brownies and a few bites never bothered them. I do not give them anything other than a lick of fingers of rich, dark chocolate, however. Knowing Nicky, she could eat a pound of an 80% cocoa bar and never even burp!

No, the black hairs throughout the body is because all of our red and white basenjis are genetically sables. Most will lose all of their black hairs except a few on the backs of their ears. Or at least all mine still have black hairs on the backs of their ears.

Name badges for forum folks would be a good idea Patty. Even a label with our forum names?

@sinbaje: The one that comes to mind - to the best of my knowledge - should not have had anything to do with the reliability of the results (it was done in 2009 - 2 years after the start of public testing in 2007 when most kinks should have long been worked out). Of course being 2 years after public testing began, I can not think of any legitimate reason for the need for research nor the need to keep it private, but then I am oftentimes guilty of giving too much information vs not enough. ;) I'll see if I can find the reference I am thinking of and if so, will ask - assuming I did not already. Will have to look. Hi Linda - Not sure exactly what kind of situation you're talking about - so will give a general summary. Fanconi research is continuing and we are still using research samples, and gather new samples. Work is primarily to develop a direct test (the current test is a linkage marker test for multiple markers) but also to keep an eye on performance and accuracy of the current test. So getting new research samples in 2009, 2010, and 2011 is expected and needed. Research uses validated dogs that are anomalous and verified affected dogs, usually using new testing technologies. Goal is to develop a direct test and, in the interim, if needed, to improve the existing test. OFA is not funding the research and is not doing the research testing, so they can't tell you anything. OFA handles payment, reporting, and publication of results for the production test. Samples ordered for research are handled separately from OFA samples and are not paid for. They are often blood samples, in some cases fresh blood only, but not always. If you pay OFA to have your dog tested and sign a release form, his results will go into OFA's open database. If a research sample is tested, it will not. For research samples, most I know of were either for known affecteds, to be used to refine the test, or retests to verify a test was of the right dog, or tests of a cluster of relatives to verify parentage where a parent is deceased and DNA is not on file. I can't offhand think of cases where the production test would be done for research for anything except retesting a dog with an anomalous result. In that case, if the result was different, it would be corrected; if not, nothing would happen on the OFA side. For Fanconi, in general, at this point, if Gary is testing a sample or samples for research, he is either using testing methodologies that are not in production (mostly working on getting a direct test) such as whole genome mapping or improved SNP chips, or he is verifying parentage, or he is retesting an anomalous sample to make sure the right dog was tested. A fair bit of that is in the Health Committee report which is on the front page of www.basenji.org, click on annual meeting powerpoint and scroll down to the HC part. I don't know if this answers your questions or not because I don't really have enough info to figure out the specific situation. I can pretty much tell you, if it's a research sample, OFA probably knows absolutely nothing about it. They are not part of the research process right now for Fanconi. They are in the pay/test/report process for the validated Fanconi test already in production. FYI, the Health Committee email list is open to any BCOA member and you can ask questions there at any time. Lisa

@DebraDownSouth: Fran, there are times when I might mean to be condescending, but I assure you that it won't be "a little" or usually any question. That you could take my comment above as condescending… I can only suggest you may simply want to block my posts because it is entirely unlikely I will write 100 words to say what I said in under 20 because SOMEONE might see my observation as insulting. Now if I had said it condescending, such as: How could you THINK it could be that? Don't you think any dog living with females would already have reacted? How silly! The person threw out the idea of periods, which sometimes could be it .. and btw, pregnancy hormones set some dogs off… but it hit me he had lived with them too long for that to be probably. It wasn't an insult to the OP, just a response. People contradict my ideas daily on here, doesn't make them condescending or insulting. THEN, I could see it. I simply tossed out a quick response addressing that logically it probably wasn't that. If you read that as condescending instead of my own view, I am sorry. One helpful rule for forums is that you look at any post and see if there is another TONE than the one you ascribed. If there is, take the other. Like your post. I COULD think you are a jerk, not at all "friendly," addressing this here and hijacking the thread instead of sending me a private message. Instead, because I see you post a lot and like you :), I took it exactly at face value... you simply are expressing your view and trying to be helpful. So please remove any tones you might ascribe to the answer. The tone in my head is simply factual, that I am not responsible for your taking that as condescending and probably won't be able to stop you seeing other posts that way. Now if I actually say something you cannot take any way than as an insult, feel free to let me know. But the above... sorry, Fran, it was simply a logical observation. LOL, and in fact, let me now be "condescending" to my post. (I am joking while making a point.) SOMEONE (but it will be me, since it just hit me where I could easily be wrong...) could have responded to my post and said: Yeah, but dds, you are wrong because maybe she has an infection or urinary tract infection also with a period, that might do it. See? Debra, not a problem. Thank you.

Oooh, probably should have added, we will be there on toy day as well with a pug and chihuahua, do feel free to come and cheer us on, we will need the support im sure lol!

try a weekly dose of cod liver oil with the food, good for joints too Wingco enjoys his din dins on those days…

Congratulations, what a wonderful day you had. Looking forward to seeing the pics!

@tanza: I offer a guarantee for life… I will always take back that puppy/adult if necessary. This is not to say that I will "refund" money, because I don't (however each situation is different, so I would never say never). But I will support any of my puppy owners and if I can will help support in the care of that puppy if a problem comes up. There is no breeder that can honestly guarantee that a puppy/dog will not come up with some problem some time in his or her lifetime, so I find and "guarantees" are pretty much a joke when people say you have a 1, 2, 3, whatever amount of time... as a responsible breeder you are in it for life. I offer a lifetime guarantee to take a puppy back. I meant that the guatantee is for 3 years that I will replace or refund a puppy. After the three years i will still take back a puppy at anytime i just wont give them a puppy or a refund. I would always support any puppy throughout its life and would never deny a puppy back into my life. I love dogs and no matter what i am responsible for the dogs that I would produce. I offer lifetime commitment to the owners and the puppies And I didnt realize this. I thought everyone was supposed to have a Guarantee. but i offer a replacement puppy for 3 years. (a partial refund might also be offered in certain instances. then I do not allow a replacement puppy but, like i said, id always take back a puppy.

@KiroGurl: how much would a red boy cost from most breeders? whATS THE AVERAGE? In the Northeast/Mid-Atlantic, I'd say a safe estimate is around $1000 - $1200 for a puppy from a responsible, reputable breeder. Personally, I haven't found there to be a lot of variables with pricing when you go to a responsible breeder. Off hand, the only real difference in pricing I've seen seems to be that it does vary by region of the US - kind of like everything :D. If a breeder is pricing by colour, male vs. female, or AKC registered/not, I'd immediately look for another breeder - personally I would consider those red flags and RUN. There may be breeders that charge differently for pet vs. show, but there are plenty that don't - none that I've encountered do. A good place to start to find a responsible breeder is always the BCOA breeders directory at basenji.org. And don't forget to verify health tests on offa.org

I understand what you are talking about. I have actually talked to someone about leasing one of my dogs. But, it is with the intent of me sending him overseas for a few years then getting him back after he has been used for breeding an been able to have a wonderful show career over there. As Pat and Lisa said, this is not common in the US. Personally, I would want to know WHY they want two dogs. Training two Basenjis is NOT the same as training two Afghans or Beagles. I could see wanting to move to a less hairy breed, as she has uber amounts of hair in her place I am sure! You have to think… do your puppy to be the one that gets the short end of the stuck and you get it back and have to "fix" what wasn't done in raising that you would have done? There are so many what-ifs to ponder to decide if this is really the route you want to go. Also, you have to know that if she gets a male and a female, the likelihood of an accident is always there... so you would want to make sure if the other is a carrier, yours MUST be a clear, and vice versa. Better to be safe than sorry. You can email me off the boards if you want, I might be able to help you.

Such nice puppies…I love'em all. Good luck at the show...take pics.

Tanza, thats interesting about being able to 'pay' for extra letters… Would see hell freeze over before that happens down under :D... Took us years and years of hard work and slog to only just recently be allowd the 30... A further increase in the number will never happen in my lifetime, quite possibly not in my kids lifetime either :p...

@saba: Thanks Tanza, Ive got fingers and toes crossed for a lovely little boy for me to show… Now that Ive written that, I will probably get a litter of all girls ;);). LOL… isn't that the truth!