Oh vickilb that is just not nice !!! It is unfortunately oh so true !!!

Ok with Mr Saba's help I think I have this done :-)…

These pics were taken today, they are 16 days old, and completely wasting of time, all day everyday :-)...

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Ok so pics 1 and 10 is a girl. Pics 2 and 3 are a girl. Pics 4 and 5 are a girl. Pics 6 and 7 are the little boy, and finally, pics 8 and 9 is a girl… Very proud of my brood and of Vanda who is doing a fantastic job being a Mum !!!

Thanks guys…

Tried to get some pics up of them, but Im completely useless with technology, so will need Mr Saba to help me !!!

They are now 9 days old, and all are thriving. Vanda is a wonderful attentive Mum, and Im over the moon with how she is doing. The little boy is doing well, and all have well and truely doubled their weights.

This is the second litter, (the other is the ACD litter I had last year), that I have fed adult food all through the bitches pregnancy. Previously I have always put my girls straight onto puppy food from the day they are mated. Both this litter and the ACD one, the pups have doubled their weight, within 4-7 days. When I have been feeding the puppy food to the bitches, the pups usually doubled their weight by about days 10-12, and I was happy with that, (and they always dropped weight for the first day or so). Mmmmm is there something in that !!!

Just want to let everyone know that Vanda has had her babies on 10th June :-)…

She, (Ch Wazazi Living Doll), has had 3 red/white girls, 1 tri girl and a lonesome red/white boy !!! All are doing well and Vanda has settled into motherhood very well...

The boy was last born, came out well, no issues, until I was just about to close an eye, (at about 6.30am after no sleep !!!), and I noticed he wasnt looking good, flat, very dehydrated etc... I didnt have many things organised, (only got the whelping box set up late the evening before she whelped), but thats a long story !!! I suddenly remembered that I had read numerous times on an Australian dog forum, (that Im a member on), that people had sworn by 'liver juice'. Thankfully I had bought some lamb's liver, (supposed to use beef, but I couldnt get any that morning), and it was in the freezer. I cut about half a handful of it, covered the bottom of a small saucepan with water and boiled it for a few minutes. I then let it cool, and put about 2-3 drops on his tongue, and after about 30-45 seconds, he started to move a little, gave him another 3-4 drops, and he really started to squirm, so I put him on Mum, bingo, started to suck furiously :-)...

Now, I dont know if the 'liver juice' really did work or not. Maybe he was a little stronger than I thought, maybe he was just tired ??? I dont know. BUT, I do know he was really dehydrated, and although I do put them straight onto Mum, I dont know if he got a drink... So many questions, but, I think the 'liver juice' did something, and I now have a strong and healthy boy :-)... We made sure he was put on Mum heaps the day he was born, even pulling other stronger pups off the free flowing teats, so he could get on. He still lost weight on the 1st day's weigh in, but the last 2 days he has put on as much as the others now... Im happy :-)...

Ok so this has ended up a long, useless information story, but just wanted to share my 'liver juice' story in-case it helps anyone else :-)...

Forgot to say we will be keeping the pick bitch, and while I might regret it, Im hoping the tri-ing will be the one !!! Mmmmm the little boy just might not be able to find a home either !!!

Patty I think your are/were spot on…

Vanda had her beautiful babies in the early hours of Sat, (10th June), with very little issues !!! She had 3 red/white girls, 1 tri girl and 1 red/white boy :-)...

I will put more in the breeders section...

Im glad Mum seems to have settled into motherhood a little better Krissteyn…

I can only hope Vanda is going to be ok... I am with them and sleep next to the whelping box, for the first 3 weeks or so, so she will be well supervised... X-ray on Fri to count the little darlings, and so I know when to panic in the middle of the night, when things might start to go wrong !!!

Thanks for the info Ivoss, something to mull over after this litter is off to their new homes, and when I feel like breeding again, when Im more hoooooman !!!

This thread has me a little worried…

I have a bitch due around 13-15th June, and she too isnt very fond of babies... She has in the past growled at them, when they have been 'in her face', nothing more just a warning growl. At shows I have to be careful not to let the babies get in her face, (she doesnt like any rude dog in her face, shes just more intolerant of babies). In saying that, when Ochre had her 6 babies 2 years ago, I encouraged Vanda to play with them, when they were old enough, and I was really pleased with her behaviour. At first she hid on the chair, and growled when they jumped up to say hello, but that quickly stopped and she slowly began to play with them.

I did wonder if I should breed her, and after much soul-searching, I decided to go ahead with this mating. I just hope we dont need a C.S. Thanks for the explanation of the hormones Ivoss... Would you breed the mother of the singleton litter again ???

Ive just put one of my guys on TOTW, and just bought a bag yesterday. Thankfully this bag appears to not be affected, BUT…

I have 4 sample packs, one of which is open and has been fed to the dog... I cant find a Production Code box on any of the sample packs ??? Should I just chuck them out, or does anyone know how I can check to see if these are contaminated ???

ETA Im in Australia, and have heard nothing about this recall, until I came here today...

Thank you for the well wishes… Still happily floating around on Cloud Nine, although I've had 1 or 2 crashes back to earth !!!

Now if Vanda would just come into season, and NOT copy what her mother is doing, (in/out, in/out), I would be very happy :-)...

I just wanted to have a small brag…

Our 2 girls did us very proud, (both 2 and 4 legged :-)...), at the St Patricks Day Show we attended, last Saturday...

Imogen, (14yrs), showed Ch Wazazi Living Doll, Vanda, to BOB, and BIG 2nd, (Runner-up Best In the Hound Group), and best Intermediate in Group, (dogs/bitches aged 18-36 months)... Olivia,(16yrs), showed Ch Wazazi High Expectations, Ochre to RUBOB and best Open in Group, (dogs/bitches older than 6 months)... My daughters showed the dogs beautifully and I was a very proud and happy strapper !!!!!!!!!!!

Then we went in for Best Intermediate in Show, against the dogs from the other 6 groups, who had won their best intermediate in groups as well, and....................................................................................................... Vanda was awarded BEST INTERMEDIATE IN SHOW... She beat, MBIS, SBIS, and Grand Champions, to win this award...

VERY, VERY happy with that days results... Spoke to the judge who awarded Vanda R-Up in Group, and she said that IF Vanda had have moved around the ring on her last workout, without breaking her gait, she would have been BIG... Vanda is a little minx, and without fail, she will always break in her workout. Its something we have tried to get her out of, but no matter what we have tried, she will always do it... Its her funny little quirk, and while Best In Group, would have been wonderful, Im still floating on Cloud Nine, with the whole day...

Should mention that with the Cattle Dogs, our beautiful leased girl Crystal was Challenge bitch, (best bitch), for a further 8 points towards her Aus Ch title, then onto RUBOB... Her gorgeous daughter, Melba, who we bred, was awarded Res Ch bitch, (2nd best bitch), beating an older champion bitch... Very happy for Mr Saba who showed these 2 girlies... Our young, very gangly, 'nothing fits anywhere', young boy, Cobber, then beat his sister, Melba, for best puppy of breed...