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Lymphoma.
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Just got done reading an article Jackie K. from BRAT sent me, a nicely detailed article from Whole Dog Journal. If I can swing it financially, I'd love to do chemo, but that's probably cost prohibitive. If anyone can inform me as to their experience having done chemo for a Basenji, holler. He's about 30.3#, strong as an ox today, nothing appears wrong**, but I can see the nodes under his chin. Can't put his collar on anymore. Vet suspects stage 3, maybe 4 at this time. Craptastic.
Thank you all here for your input, it's greatly appreciated.
JBH
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@basenjimom2 said in Lymphoma.:
Stay away from carbs (sugars) as they love cancer and will speed up the disease.
ok... can you explain this?
Where did you get the idea that the sugars, produced naturally through the digestion of Carbs, facilitate the progression of (canine) Cancer cells?
I think we can agree that a canine diet shouldn't typically include bread(s), cake, anything we could consider a candy, or dessert. That part seems "natural". Doggie French Toast is a bad idea. Got it. Carbs, though, are not just in breads and cakes (flour based products). They occur naturally in many vegetables, including broccoli. Aren't vegetables good (for both, humans and canines)? Essentially, we want our canine companions to get the best nutrition for the fewest calories, right?
So, where (or when) did you get the idea that Carbs=Cancer?
p.s. very sorry to hear that you have also experienced this kind of heartbreak. :`-(
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I never said sugars cause cancer, but sugars (carrots and etc) do love cancer cells. There is a group on Facebook. Forgot the name of it, something like Canine Cancer group..........not sure, its been several years. I was told the stop carbs, anything that has some sugars in it just helps the cancer cells to multiply. Is it truth? I don't know. Dannii wasn't big on carrots unless they were cooked. He didn't even like the little tiny ones that some people use for treats. That group helped me through a terrible time. I've never ever had a pet that had cancer. Dannii was my first, and hopefully will be the last dog to have come down with it. Ton's of information, lots of files and loads of support and comfort from people who were going or had already gone through the samething.
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Thanks again to all here who've spoken up. Currently waiting on a call from the vet to discuss cost options, chemo vs. no chemo. At this writing he's acting completely normal.
Those of you who've gone the chemo route, a few questions: Procedures? Costs? Cost/Benefit ratios? I don't have a lot of money, and tax time will be upon us soon. This is getting tricky.
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@j-brad As I said in my previous post, we never got to chemo because of events overtaking us. But I do remember we discussed it with the vet at one point and I was surprised to find that there are lots of options for chemo, all the way from relatively inexpensive pills to very expensive therapy’s. So that option may still be open to you. I guess it depends on the biopsy results and the type of cancer.
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I only had to deal with skin lymphoma. If that’s the case with your dog, let me know.
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Well. starting day 3 on prednisone, for now his lymph nodes under his chin have receded to being barely noticeable. I just wonder how much extra time this is going to buy us. Definitely positive, hopefully for as long as possible we'll stave off the cancer. If anyone here has experience going this route, holler.
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I don't have experience with lymphoma, but I do with prednisone. One of my girls was on it for a suspected (but not confirmed) brain tumour after she had a major seizure at age 13. We did the prednisone on and off depending on her symptoms for almost three years before I lost her just short of her 16th birthday. While on prednisone they are typically hungry and thirsty. You may have some unexpected urination in an otherwise house trained dog. Getting off prednisone is done by tapering the dose, and it can be a bit tricky getting this right, so the dog isn't too uncomfortable. It's been awhile, so hard for me to be specific, but I remember it as being a difficult time.
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ee- wow! I've read nothing related to prednisone that would indicate it would help that much. Still on the front end of researching this.
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I have no idea how it will work with lymphoma, so don't get your hopes up. The veterinarian I was working with at the time told me that it might shrink brain tumours without eliminating them and we worked on the basis of suppressing symptoms which in Lady's case seemed to help. As they say, "your mileage may vary". I just wanted to alert you to possible side effects....
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@j-brad Prednisone Is a steroid. It is meant to be take for a short time, usually in high doses tapering to a lower dose and eventually off it. There are many side effects associated with prednisone, mostly when given on a long term basis. Often, though, risk vs benefit, benefit wins. Our first basenji at around 13ish needed to be put on prednisone. You want the least possible dosage that helps the dog. Hers was given every other day. She lived to 16, but she was not being treated for cancer.
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@rgk9ruler...Prednisone can shrink the swelling in the lymph glands, and make the dog feel generally better. It is only a bandaid, NOT a cure. I am a pharmacist, so when our Miss Delli-Do got this diagnosis, I did the research, with chemo the best out comes were at best, 18 months. Our gal was 15, and cost did also play into our decision, as well as her quality of life. We decided just comfort measures. She told me when she was ready. Again my heart goes out to you. It’s a tough diagnosis to get.
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Today is a week out from the diagnosis. Petting him now always involves checking his chin and neck. At this writing he's fine, the main problem is me.
One of the worst things about being human is being self-aware, knowing that the only two certainties in life are death and taxes. (Well, the second point is arguable.) Our pets don't comprehend the finite nature of life, so that's a blessing on them. The joys of a pet's life with you are tempered by the circumstances of the end of it.
I'm the type of guy that cries when I see/hear beauty, or some certain types of pain. (Physically I have a high threshold.)
We must steel ourselves for the inevitable, as dog or cat owners. They're not parrots, you don't have to write them into your will when you die. One must plan for the endgame.
Here's mine. Prednisone for as long as it's useful, as long as he's not suffering. Gonna get the wood and do my own carpentry. Then plot out his favorite spot out back. A day of feasting, then a good dose of gabapentin before bed. Another when we wake, a heavier dose. Whatever it takes to alleviate any pain or stress of the final injection, the final IV. If anyone here has any good suggestions, beyond this, please post. Then, a good rock for me to crawl under.
As I mentioned before, this will be the hardest for me and D'ogee's mama. I'll take one, maybe two days off of work.
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@j-brad
:`( I will hold out hope that you have more time left to be papa-dog than you expect. -
There’s a lot of things that a holistic Vet can do to help. We actually wasted time with the surgery. Acupuncture and Chinese herbs were shrinking/healing tumors. If we would have started it earlier Vinnie might still be alive. She was happy and pain free till the very last days.
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@j-brad The reason I originally got a basenji, is because of a pure fluke. The reason I got my second and third basenjis, is because the first taught me so much and I can’t imagine living without one.
Basenjis live in the moment, which is something I try to learn from and add to my own philosophy. They enjoy today without worrying too much about tomorrow, much easier for a dog than a human no doubt...but still something to aspire for.
When they go there is no real help or consolation, other than another basenji and even then they will never replace the one you lost. Just doing the best you can is all you can do.
There are no real words to express the loss, they should live much longer.
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OK, time for an update. So far so good- tomorrow will be week 3 since the diagnosis. He's now taking fish oil, curcumin (turmeric), and 2 herbal supplements- ashwaganda, and immunikinoko. His lymph nodes under the chin have stayed shrunken since just after we started prednisone. Behavior is normal- he's a mooch pooch/chowhound, so giving all these pills is like a bonanza for him. Plus I work at a fine dining steakhouse, so there's always some top-notch prime beef or other proteins for treats.
Upon learning the diagnosis, I fell hard into a pit of despair. At this writing it feels like my rational mind, emotions, and subconscious are beginning to firm up to face the future. Everything I read and heard said it'd be about a month without treatment, so I'm content with the treatment regimen we're following. Chemo would have been too traumatic for him and for my finances. I've rationalized that in the end, the money I don't spend on his chemo should go into the eventual search for our next buddy. although that's a difficult thought in the present moment.
So, in all we're doing well, holding steady, day by day. Thank you all for your input and kind words/thoughts. Going forward I'll lean on folks, surely, to carry the weight.
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@j-brad I am sure he is happy and enjoying the extra treats, every day is a bonus and you sound like a very good owner. I am sure (knowing basenjis well) that he appreciates and knows that. Fingers crossed.
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Update: So far, so good. He's always thirsty and hungry it seems... gained weight, all from the prednisone. A bit more lethargic, but hey, he IS a hound, and older. With the extra water uptake, he's gained the nickname "Mr. Leaky"... our dogs sleep with us, and we've long kept a waterproof mattress protector on. (D'Ogee's "brother" is a Jack Russell/Chihuahua mix, suffers from seizures about once a month.)
Steady on. With the meds we're giving D'Ogee, all he knows is he's getting more treats than ever. Time and tide, que sera sera.
