Coat Color Inheritance in basenji

Basenji Health Issues & Questions
Log in to reply
  • misspodhradskyM

    @Monika:

    I must flee.
    greet

    ok have a nice night! thanks for sharing!

    Miss Podhradsky

    Basenji owner/lover since 2002

    0
  • misspodhradskyM

    one last thing for anyone to answer. ok lets say there is a 16 punnet square.

    The thing is br br br br down the left side and along the top is br Br bR BR

    you will get Bbrr, bbRr, bbrr, and BbRr,

    Bbrr is black. bbRr is red. bbrr is Tri and BbRr is black also.

    ok so here is my question. BbRr is Black but if there is a R that is a dominant Red, so what does that mean? does that mean this dog is able to produce red puppies tho it is a black and white? or does this mean that the black was just more dominant in this color pattern and it over took the red making the dog look black in color. Just curious. thanks

    Miss Podhradsky

    Basenji owner/lover since 2002

    0
  • M

    BbRr itd do not relate to race Basenji

    0
  • M

    Saddle - http://www.basenji.org/african/B_Tena.htm (czaprakowy)
    DD Kk a^sa^s and (a^sa)

    0
  • M

    Blue Fawn - http://www.basenji.org/african/Siri.htm
    dd kk a^ya^y

    0
  • TivaT

    I think R is here only to make difference between "r" (tricolor) and "R" (red). Just way of writing.

    This link could help you ;) http://www.vetgen.com/canine-coat-color.html

    For basenjis is enough to know about K locus and A locus. Black and brindle are on K locus, red and tricolor are on A locus.

    Black is "the most dominant", than brindle/trindle, red and at the end "the least dominant" is tricolor.

    If your "R" is for red and "r" for tricolor, your BbRr should be the same as Kk ayat (I suppose :) ). This is tri-factored black dog who can produce black, red and tricolor pups.

    0
  • M

    You your entry does not apply to Basenji.is incorrect.

    0
  • lvossL

    @misspodhradsky:

    ok so here is my question. BbRr is Black but if there is a R that is a dominant Red, so what does that mean? does that mean this dog is able to produce red puppies tho it is a black and white? or does this mean that the black was just more dominant in this color pattern and it over took the red making the dog look black in color. Just curious. thanks

    It could produce black puppies, red puppies or tri puppies.

    I will write more when I get home from work tonight.

    0
  • misspodhradskyM

    @lvoss:

    It could produce black puppies, red puppies or tri puppies.

    I will write more when I get home from work tonight.

    ok thank you lvoss. I know you will be writing more when you get home but i just want to ask. How does the B and R show up on a dog. Meaning what does the puppy look like when it has a gene of BbRr? (im not sure if that gene combo is right. just wondering that if it has both dom Blck and dom Red, what would the puppy be in color and what genes would it have?)

    Miss Podhradsky

    Basenji owner/lover since 2002

    0
  • misspodhradskyM

    @Tiva:

    I think R is here only to make difference between "r" (tricolor) and "R" (red). Just way of writing.

    This link could help you ;) http://www.vetgen.com/canine-coat-color.html

    For basenjis is enough to know about K locus and A locus. Black and brindle are on K locus, red and tricolor are on A locus.

    Black is "the most dominant", than brindle/trindle, red and at the end "the least dominant" is tricolor.

    If your "R" is for red and "r" for tricolor, your BbRr should be the same as Kk ayat (I suppose :) ). This is tri-factored black dog who can produce black, red and tricolor pups.

    Yes i found a punnett square and it had Rr which is why i used it instead of Kk and Yy. :) Thanks for the clearing. anyways ok so Kkayat is KkYy (correct?) so the dog is a black dog that has the reces tri and since it has the dom Red gene and a rec tri that is how you got the Black reds and tris? ok i think i get that now. thank you!

    Miss Podhradsky

    Basenji owner/lover since 2002

    0
  • misspodhradskyM

    ok i have a question. When you are doing a punnett square, lets say you have a dog that is DDKkYy and DDkkYy. Would you put one parent on top and one on the side and do the addition?

    …...kk.....Yy
    Kk..Kkkk…KkYy
    Yy..kkYy...YYyy

    How do you figure out what the puppy is? I dont understand how to take a parents code and put it into the punnett square. I know how to use the punnett square once its ready to be solved but i dont know how to determine where things go and how to evaluate the results (if there are more than 1 letter on each side)

    Miss Podhradsky

    Basenji owner/lover since 2002

    0
  • M

    Dd kk ayay , Dd kk ayat, Dd kk ayaw, Dd kk ayas, Dd kk aya
    DD Kk ayay = black
    Dd Kk ayay = black
    dd Kk ayay = Blue (dog German)
    dd Kbrk ayay = blue brindle
    DD Kbrk ayay = brindle
    Dd Kbrk ayay = brindle

    DdKbrK ayat

    0
  • M

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    0
  • M

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    0
  • M

    example

    red x whait Dd kk ayay

    black x white
    Dd KbrK ayay

    DD Kk ayay = black x white
    Dd Kk ayay = black x white
    dd Kk ayay = blue (german dog)
    DD Kbrk ayay = brindle
    Dd Kbrk ayay = brindle
    dd Kbrk ayay = fawn brindle

    two
    red x white Dd kk ayat
    black x white Dd KbrK ayat

    possible combination
    DD Kk ayat = black
    Dd Kk ayat = black
    dd Kk ayat = blue (german dog)
    DD Kk atat =black (mask tricolor)
    Dd Kk atat = black (mask tricolor)
    dd Kk atat = blue tricolor
    DD Kbrk ayay = brindle
    Dd Kbrk ayat = brindle
    DD Kbrk atat = trindle
    Dd Kbrk ayat = brindle
    dd Kbrk ayay = blue brindle
    dd Kbrk ayat = blue brindle
    dd Kbrk atat = blue trindle

    0
  • misspodhradskyM

    @Monika:

    example

    red x whait Dd kk ayay

    black x white
    Dd Kbrk ayay

    DD kk ayay = red x white
    Dd kk ayay = red x white
    dd kk ayay = blue fawn
    DD Kbrk ayay = brindle
    Dd Kbrk ayay = brindle
    dd Kbrk ayay = fawn brindle

    two
    red x white Dd kk ayat
    black x white Dd KbrK ayat

    possible combination
    DD Kk ayat = black
    Dd Kk ayat = black
    dd Kk ayat = blue (german dog)
    DD Kk atat =black (mask tricolor)
    Dd Kk atat = black (mask tricolor)
    dd Kk atat = blue tricolor
    DD Kbrk ayay = brindle
    Dd Kbrk ayat = brindle
    DD Kbrk atat = trindle
    Dd Kbrk ayat = brindle
    dd Kbrk ayay = blue brindle
    dd Kbrk ayat = blue brindle
    dd Kbrk atat = blue trindle

    Im not sure what all this means. ayat are Yy. umm could you do it with Yy instead of ayay or atat? its just easier for me if you do. thanks

    Miss Podhradsky

    Basenji owner/lover since 2002

    0
  • M

    Big Y is a red
    small y - tricolor,saddle,agouti and recesiv gen.Can not have four different meanings

    0
  • TivaT

    Misspodhradsky:

    tri factored black dog - Kk ayat
    tri factored red dog - kk ayat

    Use punnett square for K locus and another punnett square for A locus:

    ….......K........k
    k….....Kk.......kk
    k........Kk.......kk

    So, we have Kk (twice) and kk (twice)

    A locus:

    …............ay..........at
    ay….......ayay.....ayat
    at..........ayat......atat

    We got ayay, ayat (twice), atat

    Than put both, K and A locus, together (every K result with every A result):

    Kk ayay - black
    Kk ayat - tri factored black
    Kk atat - tri factored black

    kk ayay - red
    kk ayat - tri factored red
    kk atat - tricolor

    Or, with your letters:
    tri factored black dog - Kk Yy
    tri factored red dog - kk Yy

    ….......K........k
    k….....Kk.......kk
    k........Kk.......kk

    …............Y..........y
    Y….......YY.........Yy
    y..........Yy......yy

    And than again, put all together:

    Kk YY - black
    Kk Yy - tri factored black
    Kk yy - tri factored black

    kk YY - red
    kk Yy - tri factored red
    kk yy - tricolor

    0
  • misspodhradskyM

    @Monika:

    Big Y is a red
    small y - tricolor,saddle,agouti and recesiv gen.Can not have four different meanings

    Yes i know that. But when you put ay, at, etc. it confuses me. I need the coding to be is Y,y, K, and k. I think thats it. but i cant follow when people add in different letter cuz i dont understand it :(

    Which sucks cuz when you use letters i know it starts getting easier and easier lol

    Miss Podhradsky

    Basenji owner/lover since 2002

    0
  • misspodhradskyM

    @Tiva:

    Misspodhradsky:

    tri factored black dog - Kk ayat
    tri factored red dog - kk ayat

    Use punnett square for K locus and another punnett square for A locus:

    ….......K........k
    k….....Kk.......kk
    k........Kk.......kk

    So, we have Kk (twice) and kk (twice)

    A locus:

    …............ay..........at
    ay….......ayay.....ayat
    at..........ayat......atat

    We got ayay, ayat (twice), atat

    Than put both, K and A locus, together (every K result with every A result):

    Kk ayay - black
    Kk ayat - tri factored black
    Kk atat - tri factored black

    kk ayay - red
    kk ayat - tri factored red
    kk atat - tricolor

    Or, with your letters:
    tri factored black dog - Kk Yy
    tri factored red dog - kk Yy

    ….......K........k
    k….....Kk.......kk
    k........Kk.......kk

    …............Y..........y
    Y….......YY.........Yy
    y..........Yy......yy

    And than again, put all together:

    Kk YY - black
    Kk Yy - tri factored black
    Kk yy - tri factored black

    kk YY - red
    kk Yy - tri factored red
    kk yy - tricolor

    OH! ok! so you dont do them all together. you do letter with letter and then add them! Oh ok!!! Thank you soo much! That helps alot!

    Miss Podhradsky

    Basenji owner/lover since 2002

    0

Suggested Topics

  • R

    Sick Basenji :(

    Basenji Health Issues & Questions
    8
    0 Votes
    8 Posts
    5k Views
    P
    I too am sorry for not seeing this thread sooner and hopefully the poster will return. My Basenji had some teeth removed and the vet prescribed Carprofen as the follow up antibiotic. My Basenji turned out to be allergic to Carprofen which caused her liver to fail. I went through the same scenario you are describing. She gradually quit eating over the course of several days and then her water consumption started to go down. The eating had me worried since she had an excellent appetite upon return from the vet and the final purging of the anesthesia from her system. Nevertheless, her condition started to degrade. I followed her outside and watched her urinate. Her urine was a very bright yellow. I suspected then a liver issue. Once back inside she was shivering - off to the vet we went. LIver panel blood work up showed very high on specific indicators for failing liver. Vet prescribed Denamarin (containing SAM-e and silybin). SAM-e helps protect liver cells from cell death and aids in cell repair and regeneration. The Vet also started fluid injections. Fluid injections were everyday for two weeks. My Basenji showed a remarkable response to the fluid injections becoming much more her normal self even after the first day. She hated the injections and I could hear her cry when receiving them at the vet (believe me that will tear you up). But she was doing better and she (me) were going to have to tuff this out. Also a different antibiotic was prescribed to prevent liver infection during recovery. The Denamarin comes in dosages based on weight (medium for us). It is the size of a large human like solid oblong vitamin pill. Instructions want you to give it on an empty stomach and preferably not to cut it or place in something similar to a pill pocket however you can if necessary. My Basenji would not take that size (can't blame her). Cutting and disguising it did not work either. I was frantic and got the SAM-e in powder form. I couldn't slip her that either. All though some folks had success with peanut butter and liverwurst. I finally after three days had to have the vet pill her along with her fluid treatments. A week later another blood sample and her liver panel indicators were coming down. The pilling would last for a month and it took two people to get the pill down her. The important part is - she fully recovered from the liver failure. She is 13 1/2 yrs old. My experience after having 5 Basenjis is that the breed is sensitive to medications (anesthesia also). Many of the medications work just fine in most other breeds and mixes. The vet, if not that experienced with the Basenji, must be cautioned. Mine was not. Before accepting any medication have the vet go over any contraindications with you and to double check their resources for potential side effects when dealing with Basenjis. They may switch to something else if a medication has a bad track history with Basenjis. Know what to watch for should your Basenji start to react in a non-positive manner. The poster did not indicate if there were medications in play when the dog started showing degenerating conditions. I sincerely hopes this helps in some way and helps other Basenji owners
  • misspodhradskyM

    Coat color Inheritance

    Basenji Health Issues & Questions
    2
    0 Votes
    2 Posts
    4k Views
    eeeefarmE
    I haven't studied coat colour inheritance in dogs, but from what I know of it in horses, you can tell quite a lot by looking at sire and dam and grandparents. Sometimes you can rule certain colours in or out, and determine probabilities of the colours you will get in a mating. Someone who knows more about dog colour genetics will be of more help. If an animal is homozygous for a trait, or heterozygous can sometimes be determined by knowing the colour of the parents…..
  • bewlerB

    Basenji skirts

    Basenji Health Issues & Questions
    10
    0 Votes
    10 Posts
    6k Views
    KipawaK
    Kipawa's skirt - it isn't big, but I actually love running my fingers over it. :)
  • crystalncodyC

    Coat texture

    Basenji Health Issues & Questions
    3
    0 Votes
    3 Posts
    1k Views
    crystalncodyC
    Ok, thanks! I will have to try that. This is our first winter together, so I wasn't sure if their coats changed during the season.
  • B

    Do Basenjis shed?

    Basenji Health Issues & Questions
    6
    0 Votes
    6 Posts
    14k Views
    MantisM
    shedding will change dramatically depending on the food….
  • T

    Sneezy Basenji

    Basenji Health Issues & Questions
    6
    0 Votes
    6 Posts
    3k Views
    J
    Joey sneezes a lot, but I don't think he has allergies. I think it is all the dust in our house. I hate to clean!! :D