You guys are great - thanks for the responses. We are most often dealing with high humidity (being on the coast), so 80 degrees can feel much warmer. I think I will use 75 degrees as Kipawa's upper range. Also, the heat yesterday came on with a bang - no buildup to it. It just happened. So there was no time for man or beast to get used to it. Anne, your comment about "a dog will keep going with you till they collapse from heatstroke" is exactly what would happen to Kipawa. He just loves his outdoors and running so much. Once outside, he does not have a "slow" setting if he is off leash.
Ruby's Under the Weather - A Couple of Questions
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First I would wonder if there is any reason you have not had her spayed? That would solve that problem… not sure either why she would not have "outside" time? Is that because of "unalter" dogs in the area?
Could be to many bully sticks.. but could just as easily be something just upset her tummy... and could have some relationship to being in season, but I doubt it...
And yes even a small amount of different food "could" cause a problem added that to possible sep. anxiety...
The main thing with diarrhea is that you should withhold food for at least 24 hours and then a bland diet, like anything that is no fat.. rice, boiled ground meat (I use ground turkey boiled in water and then strained) for at least 48 hours. Do not withhold water unless they are vomitting the water back up... typically vomitting can indicate a possible blockage.
Yup…unaltered dogs, unleashed/unrestrained dogs are many on my road. She still gets outside time, but the walking/length of walks have been limited. She's being spayed in the spring.
She isn't getting fed tonight and she has plenty of water available...she's taking water fine and no vomit. So, thanks for the advice about withholding food, I wasn't going to give her her dinner tonight anyway. And I'll start the bland diet tomorrow night. I'll be working from home tomorrow so I can get a better idea about what is going on.
I was only gone 3 hours this morning and that short a time has never been a problem in the past, tired or not, so I tend to think you're right about it being something more to do with an upset tummy.
Thanks for your advice...
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I'm no expert - I've gotten lots of "right on" advice here. IMO, she's got an upset digestive system, maybe due to the change in her diet. Include brown rice in her bland diet - add it to her food along with boiled hamburger. I understand to change food brands, it must be done gradually mixed together over a week or two.
Oh so sorry for what you're dealing with. I hope Ruby will get back on track (tract) and feel much better ASAP.
Actually her food was changed (very slowly) many months ago, but I thought I'd mix it up by using a small amount of other food in her kong. Guess that might not have been a good idea after all.
Thanks for the info about the bland diet…I'll give it a go starting tomorrow night.
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Actually her food was changed (very slowly) many months ago, but I thought I'd mix it up by using a small amount of other food in her kong. Guess that might not have been a good idea after all.
Thanks for the info about the bland diet…I'll give it a go starting tomorrow night.
A change, or different food usually isn't enough to cause that kind of reaction. She probably got a 'bad' bully stick…those things can grow bacteria pretty quick. Or maybe she got a little virus. It happens occasionally.
I think your plan sounds good, withold regular food...bland diet...plenty of water. She should be fine in a day or so.
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Is she looking for food? If she is, it would not hurt to give her a little… brown rice only... and the main thing with a bland diet is NO fat.... so you can even use no fat cottage cheese if you want.... I many times will mix rice, boil/drained ground meat, and cottage cheese... and give in little meals during the day to see how they do... but sounds like she will be fine soon!!! and it is the best news that she is drinking....
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Is she looking for food? If she is, it would not hurt to give her a little… brown rice only... and the main thing with a bland diet is NO fat.... so you can even use no fat cottage cheese if you want.... I many times will mix rice, boil/drained ground meat, and cottage cheese... and give in little meals during the day to see how they do... but sounds like she will be fine soon!!! and it is the best news that she is drinking....
Yes, she is looking for food…just like she always is :D...that's one of the reasons I'm hopeful it isn't anything serious, she has been acting completely normal. Thanks for this post...I'm working from home today and think I'll try a little rice mid morning.
I really appreciate your help.
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A change, or different food usually isn't enough to cause that kind of reaction. She probably got a 'bad' bully stick…those things can grow bacteria pretty quick. Or maybe she got a little virus. It happens occasionally.
I think your plan sounds good, withold regular food...bland diet...plenty of water. She should be fine in a day or so.
Interesting to know about the bully sticks growing bacteria. I usually buy them 3 - 4 at a time, which lasts about a month. Do you think it would be better to not do that and only buy them as I need them? I keep them in a dry place and I only use the Red Barn ones…they don't stink as bad as the cheaper ones :D. I tried some organic bully sticks but Ruby wouldn't touch them...not tasty/smelly enough for her :rolleyes:.
Unfortunately, bully sticks seem to be the only chew thing that Ruby will touch...I've tried every chew toy under the sun at this point and she's not interested in them at all.
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Interesting to know about the bully sticks growing bacteria. I usually buy them 3 - 4 at a time, which lasts about a month. Do you think it would be better to not do that and only buy them as I need them? I keep them in a dry place and I only use the Red Barn ones…they don't stink as bad as the cheaper ones :D. I tried some organic bully sticks but Ruby wouldn't touch them...not tasty/smelly enough for her :rolleyes:.
Unfortunately, bully sticks seem to be the only chew thing that Ruby will touch...I've tried every chew toy under the sun at this point and she's not interested in them at all.
I have never had a problem with the bully sticks from Red Barn.. but "stuff" happens… gggg... I would just chalk it up as a tummy upset... happens....:)
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So far, so good today…I fed Ruby a small amount (about a 1/4 cup) of rice/boiled hamburg around 10am...no problem. I fed her about the same amount around 1pm (this time with a tiny bit of pumpkin) and still no problem. I'll feed her again in another 3-4 hours. She ate like she's never had food before :D, so there's nothing wrong with her appetite. She is still drinking water occasionally and always with food).
It's freezing here so she's just been lying in front of the fire most of the day (normal when the stove is running). She's been outside a bunch and has pee'd but no poop.
I'm crossing my fingers (and her paws :D) that the worst is over.
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I'm crossing my fingers (and her paws :D) that the worst is over.
Sounds like you've had your share of mess, I hope the worst is over for you too.;)
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Sounds like you've had your share of mess, I hope the worst is over for you too.;)
Thanks!!!
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So far, so good today…I fed Ruby a small amount (about a 1/4 cup) of rice/boiled hamburg around 10am...no problem. I fed her about the same amount around 1pm (this time with a tiny bit of pumpkin) and still no problem. I'll feed her again in another 3-4 hours. She ate like she's never had food before :D, so there's nothing wrong with her appetite. She is still drinking water occasionally and always with food).
It's freezing here so she's just been lying in front of the fire most of the day (normal when the stove is running). She's been outside a bunch and has pee'd but no poop.
I'm crossing my fingers (and her paws :D) that the worst is over.
Sounds good, one thing however… I would use ground turkey and/or ground chicken... it really is easier on the gut then hamburger....
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Sounds good, one thing however… I would use ground turkey and/or ground chicken... it really is easier on the gut then hamburger....
Thanks, I plan on getting some tomorrow. However, today I needed to use what I had in the house as I didn't want to leave her (even for an hour to go to the store considering how quickly it all went wrong yesterday). The only other thing I had was ground bison…but I was afraid to use that. Trust me, I was lucky I had rice in the house ;).
I'll have some emergency supplies in the future. :rolleyes: that's for sure.
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I'm curious how long the soft stool continues once they are on the bland diet (I switched to boiled ground turkey instead of ground beef)…so boiled brown rice & ground turkey and a spoonful of pumpkin. I've been feeding her 3 times a day (1/4 cup amounts). The last 2 nights she woke me up every 3 hours to have me take her out. The stool is very soft & runny, but not water like was the original problem...could the pumpkin keep it runny? The poop is pumpkin coloured. She's still eating fine, taking water, running around and acting normal.
I'm wondering if I should still be doing the small meals...she is normally fed once per day.
Just a reminder of the timeline of this...the whole water diarrhea was Tuesday & Wednesday, Wednesday I didn't feed her at all. Thursday - Saturday I fed her bland diet (3x day, 1/4 cup amounts).
I'm planning on taking her to the vet on Monday just to be checked.
In the meantime, I thought I'd ask...should I be seeing more improvement by now, or because it was so bad Tuesday & Wednesday might it take longer.
I just don't know. Thanks!
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I would not be feeding the pumpkin at this point at all… just the rice and turkey.. and really because it has no fat, you should have very little stool, however that said they will usually be to the soft side... Also I never agreed with feeding once a day, I believe that twice is much better for them.. and small amounts, I do at regular feeding times...
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I would not be feeding the pumpkin at this point at all… just the rice and turkey.. and really because it has no fat, you should have very little stool, however that said they will usually be to the soft side... Also I never agreed with feeding once a day, I believe that twice is much better for them.. and small amounts, I do at regular feeding times...
Thanks Pat…I was hoping you were online this morning ;).
Yes, there is very little stool, so I'm glad that is normal and that being soft is ok as well. I'll stop the pumpkin. Do you think I should add cottage cheese, or just keep it at the rice/turkey.
And yes, I had planned on switching her to 2x per day feedings but just had not done it. So thanks!
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I'm curious how long the soft stool continues once they are on the bland diet (I switched to boiled ground turkey instead of ground beef)…so boiled brown rice & ground turkey and a spoonful of pumpkin. I've been feeding her 3 times a day (1/4 cup amounts). The last 2 nights she woke me up every 3 hours to have me take her out. The stool is very soft & runny, but not water like was the original problem...could the pumpkin keep it runny? The poop is pumpkin coloured. She's still eating fine, taking water, running around and acting normal.
Small, soft stool is not unusual on a bland diet but the waking you up every 3 hours to go out is not usual. It sounds like she picked up a stomach bug.
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Small, soft stool is not unusual on a bland diet but the waking you up every 3 hours to go out is not usual. It sounds like she picked up a stomach bug.
Good to know…thanks! Does it seem odd, that she would still have the bug 5 days later? BTW, she has not vomited at all.
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Yeah, I think I would take her to the vet on Monday. That is a lot of days to have loose feces. Especially the kind that requires to be taken out in the middle of the night. She may have a bacterial thing going on in her gut.
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Yeah, I think I would take her to the vet on Monday. That is a lot of days to have loose feces. Especially the kind that requires to be taken out in the middle of the night. She may have a bacterial thing going on in her gut.
Thanks Andrea!! I'll definitely take her in on Monday.
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Good to know…thanks! Does it seem odd, that she would still have the bug 5 days later? BTW, she has not vomited at all.
It is not odd that this still could be going on, especially if she has Giardia which is the most common bug…. medication will put her right pretty quick...
