@senjisilly just now saw your reply. Thanks for the pedigree website. I knew about it and it’s a great resource.
Misty mountains in Knoxville TN
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@elbrant - Could be this is not a responsible breeder where their breeding dogs came from.... I would suggest that anyone getting a pup would DNA test for Fanconi and PRA at the very least. This is a backyard breeder and all steps should be taken to verify health and temperament. And since I know that person will not refund a deposit, I find this different from responsible breeders. This is what they posted to me
My line is clean it came from a clean kennel and my line has kept clean I don't have any paperwork to issue at this time my meals have been dna I actually have two female puppies and a male puppy that's approximately 10 weeks old a couple of people have backed out of the deal they put down a deposit and they lost their deposit -
I recognised the affix Misty Mnts and there are many of them in the data base. Also two with the words spelled out - Misty Mountains - But nothing recent. In any case, scammers seem to take photos of known dogs and claim them as their own. Someone recently sent me a link, purporting to be a litter of puppies for sale. The photos show just about every colour in the book, and every dog is posed in a different room (or house !). And almost all the dogs are mismarks.
I can understand, although not approve, the tendency to use other photos of other breeders' dogs to set up a scam. But for the life of me, I can't understand offering an entire litter of mismarks ?!?!?!
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@tanza said in Misty mountains in Knoxville TN:
in those pedigrees are the "stolen" kennel name of Cambria
I was specifically asking about this comment in relation to the dogs that this person is (apparently) breeding from... are you suggesting that the pedigree is falsified?
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@elbrant I am pretty sure @tanza was referring to the use of the Affix 'Cambria' -
You must be a great deal younger than either of us, not to know that 'Cambria' and 'Bob Mankey' were practically synonymous.
It was, and still is, a very famous affix which is now used, sadly, by breeders of less standing in the Breed. Bob and Jack Schafer bred Basenjis through the 1950s, 60s and 70s and wrote books on them which are still current today.
Try Google.
But it is also true that pedigrees can easily be falsified and probably are, more often than we know. This is one reason we keep hammering the point, if you are unsure of how responsible the breeder is, make sure you see the paperwork pertaining to the parents of the litter, and if possible, see Mom too.
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@zande Thanks for checking my math and finding the info in your database. I was wrong and stand corrected.
I also appreciate your last post containing history! Love your memory and experience. I’ll be looking up Cambria, Bob and Jack.As far as this breeder… I suppose it could be legitimate, but I’m still leaning towards it’s not. Something else just occurred to me @foster1286, if you’re still interested in this breeder because it’s convenient, which I can understand. Why not call them and arrange an in person visit? Tour the kennel, meet the breeder, meet the dogs and puppies, see how they’ve been treated, get the history first hand, and then decide if it makes sense to move forward.
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@JENGOSMonkey I wasn't checking your math ! I read these posts with no time to respond but came back to them cos of the Misty Mnts affix.
How is Ring Craft going ?
btw - a couple of evenings ago, a large rabbit had been around my front garden - flower beds, borders and lawns. When I went out to play with the boys after their tea, they got the scent of the bunny and really quartered the ground, as a team, before both disappearing into the middle of one of the borders - to its detriment !
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@jengosmonkey - They are a Backyard Breeder judging by the pedigree on their dogs and not just a scam site. Again if someone buys from this person I would highly suggest that DNA is done on the pup for both Fanconi and PRA. And since it was noted by this person on the email that I send part of that they will not return the deposit if the person backs out, I would not send a deposit until this is done.
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@elbrant said in Misty mountains in Knoxville TN:
@tanza said in Misty mountains in Knoxville TN:
in those pedigrees are the "stolen" kennel name of Cambria
I was specifically asking about this comment in relation to the dogs that this person is (apparently) breeding from... are you suggesting that the pedigree is falsified?
As noted by Zande, I was referring to the using of a old time kennel name.... and those dogs never came from the original breeder of that kennel name. I never said that the pedigree was falsified... I said that the pedigree including the using of a kennel name that was very important to the breed and are NOT related to any of the Basenji in this person's pedigrees.
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@tanza said in Misty mountains in Knoxville TN:
@jengosmonkey - They are a Backyard Breeder judging by the pedigree on their dogs and not just a scam site. Again if someone buys from this person I would highly suggest that DNA is done on the pup for both Fanconi and PRA. And since it was noted by this person on the email that I send part of that they will not return the deposit if the person backs out, I would not send a deposit until this is done.
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@jengosmonkey said in Misty mountains in Knoxville TN:
@tanza said in Misty mountains in Knoxville TN:
@jengosmonkey - They are a Backyard Breeder judging by the pedigree on their dogs and not just a scam site. Again if someone buys from this person I would highly suggest that DNA is done on the pup for both Fanconi and PRA. And since it was noted by this person on the email that I send part of that they will not return the deposit if the person backs out, I would not send a deposit until this is done.
Agree, but the breeder should pay for this in this case, at least that is my opinion. And I seriously doubt that that she will pay for those tests. Could be that all is OK, but best to make sure and not bring the pup home first and then find out there are issues. While the breeder might say OK send it back... if you had a pup would you really send it back?
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@tanza The threads and stories I've read about owners bonding with dogs since puppyhood only to find out later in the dogs life that it's Fanconi affected... It's heart breaking, yet far too late. I agree. Breeder should pay.
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@jengosmonkey said in Misty mountains in Knoxville TN:
@tanza The threads and stories I've read about owners bonding with dogs since puppyhood only to find out later in the dogs life that it's Fanconi affected... It's heart breaking, yet far too late. I agree. Breeder should pay.
Totally AGREE... however if you get cute little puppy and have it tested for Fanconi or PRA are you willing to send that puppy back? Better to find that out before had "IF" you have questions or concerns about the breeder. This is way we suggest you do your homework and talk to the breeders before committing to a puppy
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You would keep the puppy, pay all the bills and be miserable for the wee animal
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@zande said in Misty mountains in Knoxville TN:
Bob and Jack Schafer bred Basenjis through the 1950s, 60s and 70s
I was begging my parents to let me have a dog (any dog) during those decades, so... Basenji's were not on my radar as yet.
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@elbrant said in Misty mountains in Knoxville TN:
Basenji's were not on my radar as yet.
They weren't on mine until I married Marvin in 1977 but 'something about them' spurred me into studying their history since they emerged from the Jungle in some depth ! He had bred them since about 1956 - and was a fountain of knowledge so I guess I was privileged.
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There are no reputable Basenji breeders in TN. Responsible owners who live in TN and care about the breed go out of state to get our Bs.
This woman does not have a legit kennel. There isn't even a fenced yard at the address she provides. She tries to charge $1000+ without providing any health info or really any info at all and assumes she can because the breed is "rare."
I didn't try to get a B from her-- both of mine came from other states-- but I know someone who did. I feel very, very bad for her dogs-- if she has any.
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I also had a B from the kennel that traded on the Cambria name. My dog had that "Cambria pedigree" so I thought I did my research. He, like most of his line, had Fanconi. He was a joy and I had him for 15 years, thanks to Dr. Gonto, but Fanconi is very hard. Which is why I personally checked that Knoxville breeder out.
Good luck, OP, on your Basenji search! Find a responsible breeder who cares about the breed and the health of their dogs, and you won't be sorry.
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@lifewithava - sorry to hear that you had a pup with Fanconi.. but certainly you did all you could to give that pup a wonderful life. And for sure, it is not easy. That is why now we have DNA testing and it is important that people research health testing and make sure the parents were tested...before breeding. Keep in mind that this is a cheek swab test that owners do themselves.
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@lifewithava You (and Steve Gonto !) did extraordinarily well to keep him going for 15 years - well done.
There is honestly no excuse for breeding puppies with this scourge - testing is easy, and weighed against all the possible anguish and vet bills, very cheap indeed.
But the message is simply not going out to puppy mills and back yard breeders. So maybe we are targeting the wrong audience and persuading puppy purchasers to INSIST on seeing parents' health checks before even considering placing an order would do more good.
Anyone reading this who knows anyone thinking about getting a Basenji - start spreading the gospel - Parents MUST be health tested.
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@zande - So true Zande, the test is 65.00 and considering the heartbreak and cost of caring for a Fanconi Basenji (try shoving down 20+ pills a day) it is something that anyone breeding, even Back Yard Breeders or Puppymills should always do... Also if someone happens to get a puppy or is unsure about the breeder they did get a Basenji puppy from, spend the 65.00 and have the DNA Fanconi test done... again it is a cheek swab that you order from OFA.org
