Screaming must stop!

[tanza]

@mshilo - Hate to disagree, but very normal for a puppy .... They want to be with their family.. and now that the pup has been removed from the litter pack, humans are the pack... if at home they want to be with you... not in a crate. That said, I think it is very, very important that they are crate trained. One for riding in the care and two, if you have work people in the home you want them secure so if someone opens a door and doesn't close it or a yard gate, that pup would be gone...

[senjisilly]

@mikesull

Unfortunately a lot of the opinions you are reading come from a place of frustration over Basenji puppies from Texas for the long time owners and breeders replying to you. When we read "8 weeks" we know that you will likely never get any help from the breeder you purchased and shipped the new love of your life. Regardless, none of that upset is going to help you solve the issues you have with this new puppy. Since he is so young, he needs a lot more attention than normal. There are some stuffed toys that have heartbeats to mimic their mother. Try this link for help and advice as well as an explanation of how their puppy product, Snuggle Puppy, works. https://www.smartpetlove.com/2019/11/26/why-wont-my-puppy-stop-crying-in-their-crate/

[macattack]

@senjisilly

Is there something wrong with Basenji breeders and pups from Texas? We got Charlie from a breeder in Texas as we live in the state, but was curious when I read this.

Also on the snuggle puppy, that worked quite well for Charlie. He snuggles up to Aggie (named the snuggle puppy) and carries her out of the crate sometimes, but overall has taken to the space. We only put him in the crate when he is sleepy, or has fallen asleep elsewhere and we transfer him to get used to the crate as calm time.

[mikesull]

Happy to relay Felix is adjusting to crate and life is so much better for all. He is treated wonderfully rest of time but crated nights (and maybe a few hours a day when am in conf calls and kids at school). I did get that snuggle heartbeat dog - he seems to like it but at same i see him tempted by the ears and nose on it lol. Tried to post pics on here but cant figure it out. Today is first day with 3 meals a day and already fed and took it away this morning. Lets see what happens. Another random food question- he sometimes doesnt eat too much out of the bowl but when i gently hide it under toys or in a tunnel he eats everything. Anyone have similar experience? There are toys out there that double as feeding devices - for example something called “the game” from revol? Maybe thats best for basenjis? Hilarious how different these guys are than traditional dogs haha. Growing up our dog would wolf down any food at any time. Tks

[elbrant]

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@macattack said in Screaming must stop!:

Is there something wrong with Basenji breeders and pups from Texas?

Some breeders are good. Diligent. Focused on eliminating diseases, and preserving desirable traits. Attentive in socialization, nutrition, and proper growth. Other breeders... are not. But above all else, good breeders detest the bad ones. I can see their point, but I admit that I don't know all the details. (We generally avoid negative discussions about specific people.)

[tanza]

@elbrant - And irresponsible breeders take advantage of buyers (people new to the breed) and do not educate or "interview" potential homes to make sure the reasons they are getting/wanting a Basenji is a good reason for that breed. All they care about is the $'s... and not the home. Nor will they take responsibility for that pup for its lifetime with a contract. So in my opinion they need to be called out. I have privately spoken to a number of people here about breeders... and will continue to do so. Especially when DNA testing for Fanconi and PRA at the very least needs to be done.

[NancySS]

@mikesull I'm SO glad things are going better! Rergarding the crate...our Binti despised her crate UNTIL i randomly threw a high quality treat in there when she wasn't looking. She started to think that this crate was giving her treats...I knew we had succeeded when she started to nap in her crate (door open). She is not destructive at all...she has lots of toys around and lately she likes tearing up delivery boxes (emptied, of course.) She isn't allowed to do that unless I am home (and I just read that Amazon boxes are treated with insecticide at the warehouse, so she NEVER gets those.) I also believe that free feeding is not good for Basenjis when they are no longer with their brothers and sisters...when they are old enough to be adopted, they need to regard you as the pack leader who supplies them with everything (which is a good idea why you eat first, like the leader does in the wild.) I feed Binti breakfast and dinner and she gets four crunchy treats for "lunch". This helps me control her weight and she has no eating problems because she knows when meals are coming. I can't wait to see pictures of your new best frie nd!!! This is Binti sun sponging in her bed by the pation doors.

[Kembe]

@nancyss
Binti is so photogenic! Always enjoyed the Binti photos! So adorable! I’ve always favored the red/white basenjis and I’ve liked the brindles because my brother had a brindle but after seeing Binti and also the tris - I have to say I like all the BASENJIS! I now don’t have a preference! They’re all so SPECIAL!

[NancySS]

@kembe Thank you. I was always partial to the red and whites myself, but when Ronney and I went out to meet and adopt this little black and white Princess, it was love at first Baroo!!!! I am like you, now I love ALL basenjis and think they are all beautiful. Binti takes excellent care of me since my Ronney passed away in April. We are a steadfast pack of two!!!!

[mikesull]

Hello all - my 11 week old Felix just switched from free feeding to now 3 times a day feeding (and lots of treats all the time lol for training etc). Problem is Ive had horrible experiences three nights with crate and defecation and then him pacing in it. May be just a coincidence on the food timing but let me know thoughts. Also, last night - bc i could not deal with another night of crate defecation so I just gated him in kitchen which is 100% puppy proofed. Much less crying and he pooped on newspaper when i checked him/walked him at 1am inspection. So in my opinion a major improvement to the previous nights. I also got him a carrier bag - hoping he would warm up to its den like feel and he has. All in all - lots of trial and error but conclusion is dont get a basenji at 8 weeks! Definitely wait until 12-15 weeks if possible. Great dog but needed his mama for awhile longer.

[JKent]

One option could be to meet his need for mum by allowing him closer to you at night until he's 12 - 15 weeks and then moving him slowly back to the kitchen as he matures and is able to tolerate it better. Another way of doing this would be for you to sleep downstairs near him and then in a few weeks start moving yourself away.

[Zande]

@mikesull Just a couple of suggestions - all the additional training treats could be helping him not go through the night.

Try measuring out his ration of kibble in the morning and using pieces of that kibble as training treats. That way he thinks he's getting a bonus and you know you are not over-feeding him !

And feeding times - morning at 8, a snack around 1 and then another meal about 6 is what my puppies get. Then a chance to empty straight after the evening meal and another before bedtime. He should start to go through the night without defecating on that regime.

I like the idea of a puppy-proof kitchen and a pile of newspapers to empty on. It's what my babes got in the final weeks before leaving me. We used to be able to get a product called Sherleys 'Swiftie' which you sprinkled on the paper to encourage them that 'this is the place !'

[JENGOSMonkey]

@mikesull I think you're doing really well, Mike. Basenjis of any age can be a challenge. I like that you're open to suggestions, trying new methods, giving those a few days, and then pivoting again when necessary. This is how Basenjis train us. Basenjis are a journey, not a drive through as you are quite aware. They keep us on our toes.

[Beth314]

I'm following this thread and maybe I should start my own. I'm planning to bring a Basenji into my home at some point. I have fostered many litters of puppies and believe in crate training. It's much easier to foster/raise a litter than bring a single home on its own. But I will be doing the latter this time. What is an ideal set up for the first week? I would certainly have the puppy in my bedroom ... but in a crate, or so I'd planned. Screaming all night would be very difficult ...

[eeeefarm]

@Beth314, if the pup is in a crate next to your bed, it is unlikely to be "screaming all night" or at all, for that matter. Have the crate close so you can put your hand down to reassure the pup if necessary, and if it gets restless be prepared to take it out to relieve itself. When I brought Tamu home at 7 weeks (early, I know), my husband slept with my 7 year old girl, Lady, and I slept on a cot in the living room with Tamu's crate right beside me. After two nights she moved into the cot with me, after a week we moved into the queen sized bed in our bedroom. (Tamu was happy, Lady was annoyed, but that is another story). Tamu was solidly house trained in less than two weeks, and never, ever had an "accident" in her crate or in a bed. And she never screamed or cried or whimpered at night.

[Beth314]

@eeeefarm Nice to know. It is certainly the advice I gave my mixed-breed adopters. I guess I was concerned that a Basenji could be more lonely crying those first nights. Dumb idea really, as pups are individuals with a range of behavior. Still, good to know your method would likely work.

[eeeefarm]

@Beth314, not just with Basenjis. I brought my first "farm dog" from his home with his littermates to my mother's house in Toronto (on our way to our newly bought farm), put him in a crate beside me on the couch where I lay down, sighed deeply, and tried to assume a sleep rhythm to my breathing. He looked up at me, took my cue, and settled right in. Fast asleep in only a few minutes. If you model the behaviour you want, that will often work with pups. They are used to settling down to sleep when their pack sleeps.

[JKent]

I allowed my children to share my bed until they were ready to sleep independently, but was adamant I wasn't going to do the same with a dog...didn't take long for her to join us ,

[JENGOSMonkey]

@jkent I grew up with a breeder... my Mom. We had a pack of Shelties. They all slept downstairs in crates. Dogs were rarely allowed upstairs and only when supervised; and were never allowed on a bed. Ever. As a kid... I thought this was THE dumbest rule ever. Never made any sense to me at all. We didn't have to sleep in a cage. Why did our dogs? I swore that when I got my own dog it going to be a Blue Merle (cause Mom wouldn't breed them) and it was gonna sleep on the people bed... with me. Fast forward years later. Finally got my Blue Merle, flew he and I to Mom's house, once there at her house he slept on the guest bed with me. I guess I've never been a big fan of being told what I can't have. :face_with_stuck-out_tongue_closed_eyes:

[eeeefarm]

@JENGOSMonkey, our family dog growing up was a sable and white Sheltie. He didn't get to sleep on beds or get on furniture or for that matter go into the carpeted living room, but being a Sheltie he respected the rules of the house and slept on his mat in the hallway, except if there was a thunderstorm, when he would make the rounds of the bedrooms looking for solace, but alas, only being told to go back to bed! But he was a wonderful dog, and like most Shelties very easily trained and obedient to a fault. Completely different to a Basenji!