Helena, we still have a long way to go with Kwame but i feel more relaxed about him now. The support from people has helped along with the advice. It was such a relief not to go to classes with him on saturday, i felt like a load had been lifted off my shoulders. I guess i felt we should keep going because Malaika has done so well with them. It took a while to become apparent that the enviroment was wrong for him.
Kwame and Malaika do try to avoid having the leaders on and occasionaly on the walk will try to wipe them off on our legs š however i feel they are worth persevering with as the effect is so dramatic and our walks are transformed.
I am keeping the harness in mind though if neccasary, it's good to know there are options.
Basenji Reactivity- please help!
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I'm with Tanza. It's normal for many Basenjis. Just let it go.
You also need to understand that a Basenji isn't going to be as easy to train as most (all?) other dogs. LOL I'm actually quite impressed you have him walking as well on the lead as you do. This is not so much of a "wasn't done right when he was a puppy" as it is "that's how they roll".
The good thing is that if you're in Africa your little guy will understand* how to sneak attack and attack the lion from the rear so as to distract him from his task of eating you!
[edited: substituted understand for undertones]
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@tanza Thank you Pat for your wisdom! We are on Basenji #5 and Miles is now 4 years old, they all did this : ) eventually the time shortened up and usually he wants to just play most of the time.
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Hello Chlloe, I think the thing I learned most from our basenji (s) is patience. Sometimes you just have to out wait them. Miles is now 4 and the time now he lays down and stalks the other dogs has shortened up. Good comments from others here too.
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I'm sorry to have to disagree with people whose opinion I respect, but I stand by my advice. For safety reasons you cannot just wait out this behaviour when it happens in an inconvenient place, and if you allow it to become a habit it may be difficult in the moment to deal with an emergency. What are you going to do if your dog decides to lie down halfway across a road with traffic coming? Obviously you are going to have to pick him up or drag him, which may result in a struggle and put you both at risk. Better you never allow the behaviour in the first place and teach him that it is not an option. JMHO.
At the very least, if you decide to allow the behaviour under safe circumstance, teach your dog that "let's go" means immediately, and that he must defer to you when you command it....
"In order to get along with a Basenji, you have to be at least half as smart as the dog!"
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@eeeefarm said in Basenji Reactivity- please help!:
if you allow it to become a habit it may be difficult in the moment to deal with an emergency.
Very good point!
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@eeeefarm - I never said if in a unsafe situation that you should do nothing, I was expressing the fact that this is inbred to Basenjis to stalk. Some don't, many do
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@tanza said in Basenji Reactivity- please help!:
@eeeefarm - I never said if in a unsafe situation that you should do nothing, I was expressing the fact that this is inbred to Basenjis to stalk. Some don't, many do
It's an interesting behaviour. Of my five, only one displayed this, and only on relatively rare occasions. My concern is that if a dog does it frequently on seeing other dogs it has the potential to be unsafe, and you really do need a way to be able to move on immediately if necessary, and without a fight.
"In order to get along with a Basenji, you have to be at least half as smart as the dog!"
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@eeeefarm - This is a typical Basenji behavior.... not all, but many and of course if they are in a situation that is unsafe, you need to take action. If not in immediate danger (like the middle of the street and I would have to ask why are you walking in the middle of the street) there is nothing wrong with removing that dog from the situation.... but understand this is a hound (sighthound) reaction...
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@tanza said in Basenji Reactivity- please help!:
@eeeefarm - This is a typical Basenji behavior.... not all, but many and of course if they are in a situation that is unsafe, you need to take action. If not in immediate danger (like the middle of the street and I would have to ask why are you walking in the middle of the street) there is nothing wrong with removing that dog from the situation.... but understand this is a hound (sighthound) reaction...
No, I don't walk in the middle of the street, but I do cross the road, as I am guessing most people have to do from time to time.
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@eeeefarm said in Basenji Reactivity- please help!:
No, I don't walk in the middle of the street, but I do cross the road, as I am guessing most people have to do from time to time.
I've never had a problem with this when crossing a street, which I think I've done thousands or maybe tens of thousands of times. I have never thought about it, but most likely the conditions when the crouching occurs -- another dog slowly approaching from a distance -- doesn't happen when crossing the street. If it did I'd just drag and keep going, but as best I can remember it never has.
On the other hand, for some reason Basenjis LOVE to stop in the middle of the street. To FLAP. No idea why but they all seem to think it's a great idea, which it definitely is not.
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@donc said in Basenji Reactivity- please help!:
Basenjis LOVE to stop in the middle of the street
doodle stops everytime there's smooshed food on the road! Otherwise she's pretty good at staying next to me. Hard to blame her. But she will "leave it" with a firm command and a tug on the leash.
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Thank you so much for understanding the issue I am facing, and we are not allowing him to greet unless he goes to the dog nicely
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@chlloe-k did this improve over time? I have a similar problem.
I got my B when he was 6 months and he had this behaviour from day 1. At first I thought it was submissive, but now it really is becoming a huge problem. I canāt get around a park with him, and if the dog comes close but doesnāt acknowledge him, heāll start darting and choking on the leash. If he sees multiple dogs but canāt meet them, he becomes unmanageable for the next hour or so, in a crazy hyper alert state.
It might be a ānaturalā behaviour but itās dangerous when 1) the dog stops in the street 2) becomes hyper alert and reactive to other sights and sounds and 3) other dogs interpret it as threatening
Did you manage to improve this with your B? Really hoping for any tips before I start working with a professional on the behaviour
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@castoinde how old is your Basenji now? Mine is 12 months old and has been doing this for a few months. I can't work out what it means, as sometimes she does it and says hello nicely, but other times she growls. I don't think it's just a Basenji thing, as when some owners of other dogs see her doing it say laugh and they theirs used to do it too. Using the lead I move her off the path and over to the grass verge so she's not in the other dog's way and shorten the lead to stop her lunging.
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@jkent yep! I get the same reaction here! Heās 18 months, the conversation usually goes like āours used to do that too when he was a puppyā followed by my āI was hoping heād grow out of it but here we areā. Sound familiar?
It got marginally better using a halti yesterday, where he was accepting treats and (eventually!) walking by (with some, um... persuasion) but Iām now avoiding parks that I are busy on sunny days. Busy streets are the most difficult, and I think it stems from him growing up during all of the intense lockdowns in Europe last year. Cities were silent, but now thronging with day trippers.
Heās never growled at another dog, but I have met a couple of people with Manchester terriers who have both mentioned theirs behaving similarly so I think itās definitely an overstimulated-hunting-dog thing. With the lunging, I usually let him have a very slightly loose leash, heāll wait for the other dog to come over but if itās clear the other dog isnāt interested then I need to take it in to control the lungingāI almost have hold of his collar at that point. I try to avoid keeping it tight throughout the interaction because I believe it makes the lunging behaviour worse.
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On the other hand, for some reason Basenjis LOVE to stop in the middle of the street. To FLAP. No idea why but they all seem to think it's a great idea, which it definitely is not.
Oh my, yes! The flap in the middle of the street
Weve had Gizmo 2 weeks now and I've mentioned this to my daughter how he loves to do it on his walk.He is also a master other doggy stalker then meets them to play but sometimes the pounce scares other dogs away.
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Cara is 11. She has only love our Samoyed in her entire adult life. No animal is worthy of breathing air. While Pam did take her about 5 years ago for a refresher course, she learned to ignore the other basenjis, not like them. If she freezes, she is definitely waiting for prey. Usually she keeps walking slowly, eyes seemingly forward, until she is within striking distance.
I wouldn't trust my dog to lie in wait until you truly are sure of their intentions. Even then, do you know if their behavior may be stressing out the other dog? And how many dogs and how much time do you have to play out this behavior?
On a good day, Moose the Samoyed runs into up to 10 of his harem on a long walk (usually 3 to 5). He's out to play, that's the goal. On a potty walk when my daughter or her fiance are in a hurry, they give him very little play time and he accepts it. No, he's not a basenji...but also an ancient independent thinking breed. They live to play. We get to decide when.
My point being, I understand that a behavior may be normal...but I am surprised at owners throwing up their hands and letting it go. There are many situations where you need the dog to keep moving, and you want training in force before that occurs. I am not sure at the resistance against that view.
