One other note about chest 'dropping' (and why did dog people start using that term - it sort of conjurs up visions of dog parts falling off in the yard) One the the biggest problems in basenjis fronts right now is those that are too narrow and have a concave area between the front legs. I'm NOT advocating a front like a bull terrier but there needs to be some 'fill' there to have a good front but it's not the fill it is the actual structure of the bones in the shoulder and upper arm that - if not correct- actally pull the 'front' too far forward. A quick visual scan from the side - if the deepest part of the brisket is well behind the legs - the front is too far forward. We need to pay attention to the actual shoulder structure to make sure we are not continuing to double up on dogs with a short upper arm. That limits front reach, and creates a not efficient side gait. So go catch your dogs and do a quick check - measure from the top of the wither to the point of shoulder (the most prominant bone in the chest.) then from that point to the point of the elbow. They should be the same. if they are not - stand up your dog and put your hand between the front legs - if you hand is IN FRONT OF THE FRONT LEGS - great - if your hand is between the front legs the front on your dog is too far foward.
More than you ever wanted to know probably - LOL
What's considered baseline?
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Are you saying that Enamel Hypoplasia is hereditary?? I have found nothing to back this up, but if it is true I also don't want to breed something that could possibly be hereditary. The vet's I have talked to said it was probably from a fever when he was a puppy, or possibly a reaction to a vaccine. I just need clarification.
I don't think I said that Enamel Hypoplasia was hereditary, I said that there are bloodlines that have teeth issues, I didn't mean for that to be taken that this particular affliction was Hereditary… And I had one such line (and no I did not breed that line or that dog).
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I don't think I said that Enamel Hypoplasia was hereditary, I said that there are bloodlines that have teeth issues, I didn't mean for that to be taken that this particular affliction was Hereditary… And I had one such line (and no I did not breed that line or that dog).
Sorry Tanza, I totally read that wrong, my appologies.
Chelsea, good to hear Oakley is doing well. Be lucky that your vet bills for teeth cleaning are so cheap down there! Seems vet care here is so expensive.
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I agree…I was surprised at the cost for teeth cleaning including anesthesia and polishing being only 233$...the pre op bloodwork was 95$ and the vets office has to warn that if any extractions are needed its 26$/tooth with an extra charge of 55$ for the extra half hour of anesthesia..I am 99.999% confident that's not needed- as I said, Oakley is 28months old and has no compromised teeth, just plaque on his back molars and long top canines that although the vet said he could scrape off during our appt...it wouldn't be polished and therefore wouldn't help with plaque accumulation...
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Ps- I just left the vets, Oakley got his annual exam, a four month supply of advantix, pre op bloodwork and his yearly fecal test…286$ later...lol!
He looks good,and healthy...I was quoted 233$ for the teeth cleaning including anesthesia...so it'll be an expensive month...I guess I'll just have to dream about new sneakers!
I just paid my $2000 MRI bill for Sonny….want to trade?
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If you KNOW there was some incident that could have caused it, I'd worry less about genetics. If not, then I'd be checking out others in the line and the line of any potential mates. I have no idea if recessive, dominant or what and too tired to look but hope truly his was environmentally induced.
http://loudoun.nvcc.edu/vetonline/vet221/dentistry/lesson2.htm
Enamel hypoplasia is a rare condition of defective enamel formation caused by illness during tooth development, trauma to the developing tooth bud, or can be inherited. The enamel will be soft and chalky instead of hard and shiny. You must be careful cleaning a tooth with enamel hypoplasia as you can easily damage the soft flaky enamel surface. Teeth with enamel hypoplasia are often more susceptible to caries.<<
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@sonnyboy:
I just paid my $2000 MRI bill for Sonny….want to trade?
No thank you!!!!
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Oakleys going in for his dental cleaning this month, it's his first one and I'm of course always nervous to hand him over to the vets…any discomfort to be expected or soreness/sensatitvity I should expect?!
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Oakleys going in for his dental cleaning this month, it's his first one and I'm of course always nervous to hand him over to the vets…any discomfort to be expected or soreness/sensatitvity I should expect?!
Bloodwork came back fine so we have the green light to do it, but I will get nervous!Depends on what they find, if just a normal cleaning, should not be any discomfort…. if he has to have any extractions, then he could have some discomfort for a couple of days. Soft food is in order for a couple of days... and usually they will give you pain meds just in case.
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I was always nervous, too, Chealsie, but Spencer usually was back to normal that day. He didn't have to have any extractions until he was a senior. I know you've had plaque issues with Oakley, but it will probably be a routine in and out. I'll be curious to know if the vet recommends anything new for the plaque. Ava doesn't have issues yet… and I'm trying to keep it that way for as long as I can.
You'll be amazed at how gleaming white Oakley's teeth will be after the cleaning and polishing!
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I couldn't imagine in my wildest dreams them needing to pull a tooth…I gave the ok to pull if they had to but as I've been thinking about it, I'd prefer to be called before they do...I just can't imagine it's necessary in his case (it's not about the money)... I would just prefer to know before they do it.
I am hopeful it'll be an "in and out"...but you always hear stories...sometimes it's better not to google possible side effects of a procedure!!!
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At two, I can't imagine Oakley would need an extraction, either. I'm sure it will go smoothly, but I know what you mean– they're our babies, and we always worry! When is he having his cleaning?
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21st…first day I could get off work, since I can't drop him off at open because of the confinement/separation anxiety..they're going I call when their ready to take him into surgery...then..I have to be nearby in case I need to come get him...(I live two streets down from my vet)
My concern right now is that Oakley flipped like a switch after his three day hospital stay for the xylitol poisoning..he came home and was a different dog (stayed in his crate without flipping out, tolerated me being at work)..so I'm just afraid that he will be traumatized by "rocking the boat"
After all, he tolerates the crate when I go to work or leave but I could never come home then leave again..he has a very fine line between what's "ok" and "what's not"
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Pat, I have never had them give pain meds unless a tooth was extracted and lord knows I have had dentals done and by 5 different vets over the last 10 yrs.
Arwen has hers done every 3 months, she is always fine. I give her soft food the first day then back to normal though I do avoid any chews for a couple of days. I also generally get prophylactic antibiotics because she has an autoimmune disorder and I don't want to risk it. I know many vets ALWAYS give antibiotics, some depends. Ask your vet.
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Are they scheduling Oakley first, so he won't have to be caged? Spencer didn't like to be caged at the vet's, so one of the vet techs would take him into the office after his cleaning and let him lie in a doggy bed near her while she worked. Maybe they could do something like that for Oakley, if he has anxiety? But he will probably wake up ready to go home, and you'll be close by so I'm sure it will be NBD.
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They do teeth cleanings last on surgery day bc it's the procedure with the highest incidence of infection..and because he can't be caged inthat situation they are going to call when they're ready to take him into surgery..as soon as I walk away from him he will flip his lid…he can't soothe himself in regards to me leaving ( unless it's what we've worked on..like crating when I go to work once a day). I can't even have someone hold his leash while I walk twenty feet away..he cries, panics and pulls.. Hopefully it will be minimal awake time pre surgery and afterwards he will be too groggy to thrash and scream or realize "mommy" isn't there. I'm crossing my fingers, that's all I can do to prepare at this point and hope there is no regression after.
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Oh, that makes it hard. Ava doesn't like to be alone, but she doesn't necessarily care if it's me. When I take her to daycare, she reaches out her "arms" like a baby for the person to take her to play. And she doesn't even look back!
I can see how your situation would be tough on both of you. But I'm sure Oakley will be fine. When they're young, a dental is usually a breeze with no aftereffects. And who knows– maybe this will end up being a positive like last time, and Oakley will come home more tolerant of being left. We can always hope!
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I can't even have someone hold his leash while I walk twenty feet away..he cries, panics and pulls.
That is pretty extreme! And something IMO you should work on. Sh*t happens. You need to prepare him for times when you can't "be there" for him. Perhaps ease him into daycare once a week? Would another dog or dogs distract him enough to tolerate your absence?
Other than that, I would think you could work on this with a friend, staying within his comfort level and lots of treats, while gradually increasing the distance and time spent away from him. e.g. if you are using clicker training, click for "quiet" moments, and his reward could be your return, alternating with treats from your helper. If it were me, I would do this in a neutral place, so you don't mess up anything you have achieved at home…..
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Eeefarm, I agree, it is extreme attachment…and something I'm not actively working on but do need to. I have catered many a times to his schedule so as not to rock the boat. If I'm at a family cookout I can't even leave the backyard to go into the house to grab napkins..he freaks if there's a barrier between us- I could be directly onthe other side of a chain fence petting him and he'd be bothered by it..you are right though- thing happen and he's not ready or at all "adjustable" to change so I'll definitely start working on things with him. It's possible other dogs may ease the separation but no likely..Oakley puts up with other dogs but he doesn't live for interacting with them. I've been in a bind and had my father come and walk him about two times while I was working and he seemed to put up with that (when he put him back into the crate he freaked out but he'd freak out even with me if I crated him twice in a day)..but being with someone else for a short period of time is ok, it's just when it's a direct result of me leaving him with that person that presents the problem.
Pamela, it would be wonderful if he could pull off a miracle twice and come home better than when he left!!!! I'll pray for that..lol. Many time I wish Oakley would be ok with company but to him, other people don't matter if moms not within eye sight...I'll be happy when it's over and he has his pearly whites
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I always try to bring baked goods when my dogs are having surgery.
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…..but being with someone else for a short period of time is ok, it's just when it's a direct result of me leaving him with that person that presents the problem.
O.K. maybe you have done this already, but there is a psychological difference between you leaving and him leaving. I see it with horses all the time. Taking a horse away from the herd may be O.K., but taking the herd away from the horse…....very much a different thing, even if it "looks" the same.
So don't you walk away from him. Have someone come and take him from you, and walk away (preferably someone he knows, who takes him away to give him something he likes and brings him right back at first). If you haven't done it this way, try it. Might make a difference to how he feels about it. He is leaving, not being left.
