@rustyb - So in the US or the UK? And are the sire/dam DNA tested for Fanconi?
Basenji Wanted Texas
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Okay my mouth is open… Can you explain why you would RECOMMEND an irresponsible backyard breeder to anyone? Can you justify suggesting someone ELSE give the scum money to keep producing dogs? Okay walking out now.
Pat... I agree if the umbilical hernia is okay, but sometimes they DO need repair immediately. I am not sure I'd trust such a breeder to tell me the truth!!!
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If you are not able to find a suitable dog through rescue. Please, do your homework and get one from a responsible breeder. Do not put money in the pockets of a BYB.
Here are links to article on
Why Buy From A Responsible Breeder
http://kineticbasenjis.tripod.com/Information/Buying_a_Basenji.htmlWhy Do Responsibly Bred Puppy Cost So Much
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Wybark basenjis in KS has a very nice 8 month old brindle girl available to a pet home, but that may be too far for you to travel. Let me know if you want Ann's email info. You would probably do better to contact the Dallas Ft. Worth basenji club or Indian Nations basenji club now to get on a breeders reservations for the fall breedings. I do know of one breeder in our coursing club who plans a litter in the panhandle this year. I would also recommend going to some of the upcoming dog shows in your area to meet the breeders and their dogs There are shows in humble, carrolton, Austin and belton in Oct, and Houston in Nov. If you are on facebook, I have dozens of friends in TX who have basenjis that I could point you to.
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Here I am continuing my hunt for a basenji. I've been trying to adopt a B from brat but have yet to be sucessful. I applied for Makela and really wanted her but today got the sad news that they don't think she's right for me because I have kids. I guess brat is out.
Have you looked at this one from BRAT? She is in Texas.
"TEMPERAMENT: VERY SHY BUT EXTREMELY SWEET AND LOVING. LOVES KIDS, EVEN TODDLERS."
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I know the expense of a well-bred dog (and shipping if necessary) can be a bit much… but in the long run, you are usually much happier and don't go through the majority of the horror stories you hear about the BYB and PM dogs.
I know there are many breeders that won't place pups in homes with little children. I am beyond the opposite on that thought.
I prefer my pups/dogs to go into kid-chaotic homes. These places give the dog ample opportunity to get tired out each day.
Sure, kids pull on ears, tails, etc... but so do I when they are puppies here... which prepares them for upcoming homes.Research and get recommendations... don't rely on the fact the person is a Basenji Club of America member. And also check for local club membership. If they are not a member of a local club, WHY??? Ask for local and country-wide references.. if another breeder (excluding family members) can't recommend them, WHY NOT???
Best of luck to you with whatever route you choose!
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I would not recommend his to anyone for a puppy. He does not health test (has the sire and dam of your pup been DNA tested for Fanconi?)
He was caught by AKC after he put a banner on his web site that he was an AKC "approved" breeder. AKC has no such thing and he was made to remove it. To purchase or refer people to a Back Yard Breeder like this is to encourage him to keep breeding. And I especially would never recommend him due to the temperament problems that no socialization causes.By the way, not to defend him but having an unbilical hernia would not be a reason for any breeder to reduce the price. They don't really need to be fixed and are usually only done when a spay or neuter is happening. I only ever had one fixed other then during a spay/neuter and that was when Mickii's ruptured due to puppies from Maggii's litter trying to nurse on it…(:eek:)
If the sire and dam of your pup had not been DNA tested for Fanconi, I would encourage you to do so.
Wow. I was unaware of this. I'm incredibly sorry that I did refer him. I'll refrian from doing so. This is my first dog and first time buying one. I'll definitely do more research this next time. Sorry.
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Wow. I was unaware of this. I'm incredibly sorry that I did refer him. I'll refrian from doing so. This is my first dog and first time buying one. I'll definitely do more research this next time. Sorry.
Don't be sorry, this is how we all learn… I am just happy that you see that there is a big difference in breeders and now can learn how to find a responsible one.
Again I do urge you to do the DNA Fanconi testing on your pup, if the sire and dam have not been. (and I don't think this particular person does any testing). You can learn about DNA Fanconi test at www.basenji.org. The cost is 65.00 and you order the cheek swab at www.offa.org.
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I find it appalling that this breeder does not give HW medication to dogs in an area where heartworm is common, especially when the dogs live outside! That is denying basic medical care to a dog. It was 100 degrees in Houston today and the heat index was close to 110. I do not know how a dog could tolerate it all day long. When I lived in Houston, the television stations would give warnings about leaving pets outside when it was this hot.
How much does he charge for a Basenji?
Jennifer
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It was 100 degrees in Houston today and the heat index was close to 110. I do not know how a dog could tolerate it all day long.
Ah, but we are talking about an African dog.
I certainly don't support the lack of medical care, but these dogs are bred to live and work in a hot climate. Given adequate shade and water, not having A/C should not be considered a hardship, IMHO. (my current Basenji was raised in an air conditioned house, and he is easily the least heat tolerant of the Basenjis I have owned. My girls would not pant unless they were working hard in extremely hot weather, but he does) -
eeefarm, are you really serious? you wrote.. I certainly don't support the lack of medical care, but these dogs are bred to live and work in a hot climate. Given adequate shade and water, not having A/C should not be considered a hardship, IMHO…...
IMO, that is totally incorrect thinking. THEY were not born in Africa, they don't live in Africa and they should be housed more humanely in the US. -
eeefarm, are you really serious? you wrote.. I certainly don't support the lack of medical care, but these dogs are bred to live and work in a hot climate. Given adequate shade and water, not having A/C should not be considered a hardship, IMHO…...
IMO, that is totally incorrect thinking. THEY were not born in Africa, they don't live in Africa and they should be housed more humanely in the US.No, these particular dogs were not born in Africa. But I would be a lot more concerned about the probable lack of socialization living outside, than the hot climate. If they are accustomed to living in hot conditions, I don't see the problem. It's not so very long ago that we didn't have air conditioning for people, let alone dogs, and some folks (including me) do not have air conditioned houses in any case. Granted that it is hotter in Texas than here, (although this year we've had more than our share of hot days) but dogs who have access to water and shade should do fine if they are used to living in those conditions. (I agree it would be inappropriate to take a dog raised in air conditioning and kick it outside in the heat)
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Alot of dogs die in Africa because of the conditions in which they live. Just because they are an African breed is no reason not to give them humane care. It is not safe for dogs in such high temperatures, no matter what the breed. Even with shade and water there is a high risk of heat stroke and that leads to death.
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Alot of dogs die in Africa because of the conditions in which they live. Just because they are an African breed is no reason not to give them humane care. It is not safe for dogs in such high temperatures, no matter what the breed. Even with shade and water there is a high risk of heat stroke and that leads to death.
I agree and it also depends on the type of "shade" and care given. Dirty pens on dirty with only something like a tarp for some shade is not enough. Consider in the heat of Africia, dogs dig holes and deep to get the cooling of the layers below. And they do not lay in the same holes day after day after day… and they dig those holes under the bush, under trees... not in a pen that they are stuck in again, day after day after day. And also consider that we in the US do not have to let our companions live in those kind of conditions.. and if you do, then you need to reconsider why you have those animals to begin with.
eeeefarm, nothing personal, but I think you are way off base here
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I just don't understand people who leave their dogs outside all day in any climate. Mine are house pets not livestock
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I agree and it also depends on the type of "shade" and care given. Dirty pens on dirty with only something like a tarp for some shade is not enough. Consider in the heat of Africia, dogs dig holes and deep to get the cooling of the layers below. And they do not lay in the same holes day after day after day… and they dig those holes under the bush, under trees... not in a pen that they are stuck in again, day after day after day. And also consider that we in the US do not have to let our companions live in those kind of conditions.. and if you do, then you need to reconsider why you have those animals to begin with.
eeeefarm, nothing personal, but I think you are way off base here
Of course it depends on the type of shade and care given. I'm not disputing that. I have not seen this breeder's establishment and was only commenting on the contention that Basenjis couldn't deal with the heat. Where I live outdoor dogs also dig holes and lie in them (in your garden, often). My girls used to do that…..we joked that they were making a hole to China in the dog run. Many people I know have farm dogs that never see the inside of a house, winter or summer, but they are healthy and well cared for. (for what it is worth, the inside of my house in a heat wave is often hotter than outside, especially in the evening or overnight.)
Perhaps the breed has changed a lot in recent years. My current boy was raised in air conditioning and isn't nearly as heat tolerant as my previous dogs, who preferred to be outside in the heat of the day, and even in extreme heat would lie in the sun as often as the shade. (and never, ever did I see them pant unless they were exerting themselves! Yes, they would occasionally do the B500 in the heat) Usually it was my Border Collie who lay in the hole, although the girls "helped" with excavation. I took the two girls on a trip to my sister's air conditioned place once and never did it again. They were so uncomfortable inside that I had to cover them with blankets!
Heat stroke......most cases I have seen with dogs have been due to being locked in a car in the sun. Never have I seen a problem with a dog that had access to good shade and water. Another big factor is humidity, which you will know if you've ever been in a sauna. We tend to get high humidity here when we get heat. I note that the humidity in Texas hot spots at the moment is low, but I don't know whether that is the usual condition or not.
I am going to the Kingston Sheepdog trials next weekend, where very hairy dogs will be working sheep in what is forecast to be a fairly hot weekend. I go every year to watch, and the temperature and humidity are often very high. The dogs cope quite well, even though they are exerting themselves in the extreme. Water is available both to drink and to lie in after their run, of course. But on Sunday during the double lift final, they will be working very hard for twenty minutes straight. No air conditioning for the entire weekend, for most of them. When they aren't working sheep, they lie in the shade by their owner's RV or trailer. As farm dogs, many have never experienced air conditioning in any event, and they come from all over North America for this trial.
I think we have quite a different perspective on this, maybe a country vs city point of view? It's likely also an age thing. Nobody had air conditioning when I was growing up! And currently none of my immediate neighbours have the luxury of air conditioning either, so perhaps that colours my thinking as well, but nobody I know has had any problems with their dogs due to hot weather.
Edited to add, my girls would, as mentioned, be outside on hot days because they preferred it. They were house dogs primarily but loved summer and heat, not winter and cold, and of course, never rain!! The Border Collie, OTOH, was an outdoor dog, as his job was to keep an eye on things on the farm. He was my constant companion when I worked around during the day, and at night he slept in a well insulated dog house close to the back door. He would alert me if anything untoward was going on outside.
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Heat stroke…...most cases I have seen with dogs have been due to being locked in a car in the sun. Never have I seen a problem with a dog that had access to good shade and water. Another big factor is humidity, which you will know if you've ever been in a sauna. We tend to get high humidity here when we get heat. I note that the humidity in Texas hot spots at the moment is low, but I don't know whether that is the usual condition or not.
I live in the Central Valley of California where we are no strangers to triple digit days and we have many cases of heat stroke in dogs that have nothing to do with cars. Often the dogs have shade and water but it is still not enough when there is no breeze and the heat radiates off the ground and buildings even after sunset.
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I just looked up the weather predictions for Kingston, Ontario and it is supposed to be high 70s to low 80s. If you think that is "fairly hot" then you have no concept of what triple digit weather is like.
Around here we consider upper 90s, "fairly hot". I course and race my dogs in low 90s but triple digits is a whole 'nother thing.
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I live in the Central Valley of California where we are no strangers to triple digit days and we have many cases of heat stroke in dogs that have nothing to do with cars. Often the dogs have shade and water but it is still not enough when there is no breeze and the heat radiates off the ground and buildings even after sunset.
That surprises me but I will take your word for it. As I said, I have never seen it here, but we don't often get into triple digits. I do suspect some breeds of dog are far more susceptible to the heat. Basenjis are more primitive and their very recent ancestors come from a hot climate. After all, neither they nor we evolved with air conditioning. Some people I know who have long haired dogs do make use of a fan in the backyard or dog run when it is very hot and no breeze is blowing. But where I live it's rare to have no wind, and it is usually cooler outside than in once the sun goes down.
BTW, Do you live in a city? Lots of buildings and concrete create an artificial environment that doesn't allow for much natural cooling.
I should apologize to the OP for the thread hijack. I wasn't expecting a reaction to my off hand comment, but all of you have given me food for thought. Thank you for that.
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I grew up splitting my time between the city and my grandparent's ranch. In the Central Valley it is hot no matter where you are. Even in the country on a triple digit day with no delta breeze it may never get below 80 degrees at night. Heat stroke is a very real concern for humans and animals alike.
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I just looked up the weather predictions for Kingston, Ontario and it is supposed to be high 70s to low 80s. If you think that is "fairly hot" then you have no concept of what triple digit weather is like.
Around here we consider upper 90s, "fairly hot". I course and race my dogs in low 90s but triple digits is a whole 'nother thing.
The original forecast for this weekend was high 80's, perhaps 90F, but the more recent forecast is calling for less than that. I hope it is correct! Grass Creek Park can be very hot, although it is on Lake Ontario and if you get a south wind it moderates things a bit. Yeah, I have seen triple digit weather. Had a taste of it in May in Cuba.
