Sorry if this is repetative- housebreaking

[Patty M]

@DexterDex:

Now I'm worried!! Fanconi? How can you tell that they are brother and sister??? Is there anything else regarding that issue that I should be concerned with?

OK, deep breath… relax... I don't know any more than you do... facts are facts. I think you should research here:

http://www.pedigrees.zandebasenjis.com/

Whatever you find out… and again, I'm a dog owner, not a breeder, so I would be upset if I found in-breeding too! The little wrinkled wonderful bundle of joy is supposed to be perfect, and he is expecting you (and fiance) to teach him what life is about. Dexter didn't read AKC books. He doesn't know what fanconi is, or isn't. And if you find out that he has three kidneys instead of two... will you put him down? (NO!)...

Again, deep breath. He's learning the pee'ing rules... and you are too, lol!

Reference moving the kennel around... if it's OK for him to be out of the crate at one time (versus the other), then can I suggest a big pillow/dog bed in that strategic location?

It's encouraging to read about your progress... he will be fine!!!

[Patty M]

@tanza:

Sorry to say but your puppy came from a less then responsible breeder, the sire and dam are fulll brother and sister, while accidents happen, this fact should have been made very clear to you. There can be health concerns with a breeding with littermates. I would highly recommend that you do the DNA test for Fanconi asap… that way you know the status.

Pat, how did you look this up? Do you know the breeder, or is there a database that you have access to? What type of health concerns can happen if the parents are full brother and sister?

The zandebasenji database has two names as females, or am I reading it wrong?
Not an exact match:
Congo Matadi's Mameluke Of Lazy K
Brindle & White
F
HP274753/01 USA
25 Dec 2006

and

Princess Gotto Zimba Linlos Stripe
F
HP274753/02 USA
25 Dec 2006

[DexterDex]

Thanks Patty M for the link and for encouraging me to stay calm. I also looked up the names on the link that you posted, and saw the same as you- not an exact match. What does this mean that the actual name is not in the database? I really know nothing about this topic, unfortunately. We will be bringing Dex to the vet and I will mention the fanconi issue; I don't know if that is something that they would normally test for? I will try to stay calm till then. sigh I'm SO glad to have found this site!

[tanza]

@DexterDex:

We will be bringing Dex to the vet and I will mention the fanconi issue; I don't know if that is something that they would normally test for? I will try to stay calm till then. sigh I'm SO glad to have found this site!

VETS do not do the test for Fanconi, it is done with a Cheek Swab that you order yourself. You will find that many Vets don't even know what Fanconi is… or how it is treated. You really should read up at www.basenjihealth.org about health concerns in our breed.

[tanza]

@Patty:

Pat, how did you look this up? Do you know the breeder, or is there a database that you have access to? What type of health concerns can happen if the parents are full brother and sister?

The zandebasenji database has two names as females, or am I reading it wrong?
Not an exact match:
Congo Matadi's Mameluke Of Lazy K
Brindle & White
F
HP274753/01 USA
25 Dec 2006

and

Princess Gotto Zimba Linlos Stripe
F
HP274753/02 USA
25 Dec 2006

You know, I didn't even notice that both were bitches…

I wonder if the sire could be Chief Nala Rondo of Lazy K? On Sally's site it shows Mameluke of Lazy K being bred in 2008... But regardless I am willing to bet that they are closely inbred... with no health testing done on anything.

[lvoss]

Nala Matadi's Mameluke of Lazy K, HP32581902, Dec 13, 2008, Br/W, Male

He is the nephew of the bitch he was bred to, to produce your puppy.

[tanza]

@lvoss:

Nala Matadi's Mameluke of Lazy K, HP32581902, Dec 13, 2008, Br/W, Male

He is the nephew of the bitch he was bred to, to produce your puppy.

So, not in Sally's database…. Sire of the above Chief Nala Rondo of Lazy K and dam of the above is Congo Matadi's Mameluke of Lazy K.

And curious? Where is the Brindle color coming from? There are dogs in the pedigrees that have produced Fanconi. This is why any dogs that would be bred should be tested first.

[DexterDex]

I read the health information from the link that was provided as well as some from others as soon as fanconi was mentioned. My fiance and I were ignorant in our search for a breeder and for Dexter, an issue that I'm sure many people have unfortunately. We were told that if a breeder has a license and is registered with the AKC that they must be good enough, and I see that this is not true. I was nervous and mentioned to my fiance several times that I didn't know how a breeder should act, but that I was unsure of the fat that Dex's breeder didn't ask us any questions other than "Will you be breeding him?", but as I said, we were ignorant, and we did not know what to expect or do. I hope no one will look down on us for that, and all I can say is that I will do what I can for him and that now I know better.

[Schouiffy]

It's wonderful you found the site. Don't beat yourself up about the puppy, you have him now - and you will know better for next time because if you have one Basenji you will want two. We will be happy to help in all ways that we can.

[Kipawa]

I agree with Shouiffy - don't beat yourself up now. Just make a pact with yourself that you will do research on anything in the future to do with Dexter.

I would send away for the cheek swab test. Knowing your dog's health is better than not knowing. If Dexter tests positive, we are all here to help support you and Dexter.

[tanza]

@DexterDex:

I read the health information from the link that was provided as well as some from others as soon as fanconi was mentioned. My fiance and I were ignorant in our search for a breeder and for Dexter, an issue that I'm sure many people have unfortunately. We were told that if a breeder has a license and is registered with the AKC that they must be good enough, and I see that this is not true. I was nervous and mentioned to my fiance several times that I didn't know how a breeder should act, but that I was unsure of the fat that Dex's breeder didn't ask us any questions other than "Will you be breeding him?", but as I said, we were ignorant, and we did not know what to expect or do. I hope no one will look down on us for that, and all I can say is that I will do what I can for him and that now I know better.

As already said, what is done is done… you can now take the time to learn about how to find a responsible breeder and you can help to educate anyone you know that buying a puppy is more then just doing an internet search.... or asking the price.

As noted, you should do the Fanconi test for your own piece of mind... well worth the 65.00.

And here is a link to "how to screen breeders" that you can learn from along with helping to teach others.

http://www.tanzabasenjis.net/selectbreeder.html

[curlytails]

Hi Dexter, and welcome to the forum.

Agreed that what's done is done – but a mistake made in ignorance probably won't be repeated, once you know. I've been there/done that too, joining a pet forum after my partner and I got our first dog, our Shiba Inu, from an unethical source. And, well, learning what we did, and learning to grow up with our little hellion, changed our life.

If you're in it for the long haul, this forum will help you.

(That said, can I just make a quick gripe that it drives me batty that this breeder can't even spell Shiba Inu properly on her website?! "Sheba Ina" ...?! I know in the bigger scheme of things, there are greater offenses, but this is the kind of thing I would expect a stranger on the street to call this breed that I also care about, NOT someone who claims to know what they're doing as a "breeder"!)

[Patty]

I'm sure that now you have all this information you'll feel much happier. It's not Dexter's fault nor yours of course - you did what you thought was right. I think that we are luckier here because there are few breeders and mostly we know them all and so can help anyone enquiring about puppies and point them in the right direction.

It's easy to take a swab for the linked marker test for Fanconi Syndrome and not too expensive so you'll be able to get that done soon, I hope. I also hope that the result is ok.

We used to have a breeder here who if asked for a puppy (even over the phone) would say ok just send a deposit. These people exist, I'm afraid. I'm sure that if in future you decide you'll get another puppy you're forewarned.

Love and enjoy Dexter - he's still your beautiful boy whatever his breeding.

[agilebasenji]

Welcome Dexter's family! You have your new puppy and love him, so don't dwell on what you should have done in the past. And the good news is that you'll know better for your next basenji.

I'd also suggest starting to clicker train your pup. It's lots of fun and engages the little badsenji's brain. I like Karen Pryor's books and in my town they can be found at the library.

[DexterDex]

I will be sending of for the swab test soon, and I will definitely know how to go about things the next time we look for a breeder/puppy. I will also advise anyone I know who decides to get a puppy what I learned. I've definitely been having so much fun with Dex, I'm already so attached to him
I'll look into the clicker training, thank you for the suggestion!

[Patty M]

When we got our first basenji, Lucy, she was only 8 weeks old, and she was willing to be subservient if she did something wrong… we'd say, "what did you do?" and she would roll over on her back, show us her belly, and smile (I swear her little incisor tooth would stick out!)... and we would think, "awwe, she is too dang cute to reprimand!!!"

At that point, we would say, "Lucy! What did you do????" She would get off of her back, give a little shake, and ROO her confession!!!

Does Dexter Roo?

[DexterDex]

Awww how sweet! Ha! When I ask Dex what he did wrong, he gives me an example and shows me again first hand lol. Well, to be honest, I've seen people say that their dogs/pups "roo" or "baroo" and maybe a few other sounds, but I don't know exactly. Lol.
I don't know the difference between regular puppy noises, maybe?