Sorry if this is repetative- housebreaking

[tanza]

Welcome… Many of us are related by our Basenjis, care to share Dexter's breeder and pedigree?

Usually your breeder discusses many of your questions before taking your puppy home?

As far as bed time, my B's crates are in the bedroom, they have always gone to bed when we do... once they figure out crate = bedroom = sleep, if they don't want to wait for us... many times they will just go get in their crates.

They are also fed in their crates. I do not have more then one set of crates, that said if I had two floors in the house, I would consider one set in the bedroom and one in the kitchen area.

I do not crate my Basenjis (not even as puppies) when we are home. Takes a lot more time to get things done, with one eye on the pup and one on what you are trying to do...ggg

A 8 wk old puppy pees... ALL THE TIME.... so they almost always need to go out... and I agree, unless there is a reason you have to use a certain spot, let him find his own spot... AND, you don't go back in till he has gone potty...

[sharronhurlbut]

Pats advice is good. Let us know how it goes please.

[DexterDex]

-Well, the reason that we tried to "chose" his potty place is because the book "Housetraining for Dummies" suggests doing so. We didn't try to make him go in one exact spot, just that we tried to get him to go within a certain perimeter of our side yard because it was more private than taking him to the front, which we liked, but he never pottied there and instead decided that he liked toe front yard better, so he has been pottying there consistently and hasn't had any accidents since we let him start going there.

-We definitely are consistent with announcing "potty time" when we bring him out, and we don't scold him for accidents- we know that the accidents are more our fault, not his.

-And about the amount of time that he is kenneled, I only have class twice a week, so those are the only two days that he will be kenneled during the day. I also will be coming home on lunch break to take him out and check up on him, so I hope that isn't too bad for him. My fiance works offshore and is gone 14 days at a time and then is home for 14 days at a time. So technically, there will only be about 2 days per month when no one will be home with him.

-I am feeling MUCH better, and so is Dexter just since last night! Now that he has found a spot that he liked to potty, everything has been running smoothly.

-We have been moving the crate back and fourth though because we want to keep it in the living room during the day because we are in here ALL DAY long, and we don't really want him wandering off to the opposite end of the house to find his crate in our room quite yet. So me will probably move it at night when we go to bed. He did fine sleeping in it all night last night.

-We have still been taking him out every so often to potty, and sometimes, when he isn't ready to go- he just lays down in the grass. So we take him in and then bring him back out a while later and he usually goes.

But, overall, we are feeling much better already and we are thinking that what we are doing is working for all of us. So all smiles!!

-Thanks so much for the help and interest everyone! It's good to know that I have a place to turn for quick and caring advice!

-(About the Breeder and Pedigree Question- The paper that we have says "Sue Underwood" as the breeder, and next to Sire it says "Nala Matadi's Mameluke of Lazy K" and next to Dam it says "Princess Gotto Zimba Linlos Stripe"
Sounds like gibberish to me, I'm not sure if it's bad of me to admit that haha, but I don't really understand it…

[DexterDex]

ONE more question. Someone told me that while he is being pottytrained that outside time should ONLY be for potty time until he is completely housebroken. So, I can't walk him until then?

[Patty]

Welcome to the fiorum, it sounds a sthough you are doing greart. Patty M and Pat have givenn you good advice and you are obviously finding out what works well for you and Dexter.

[tanza]

@DexterDex:

ONE more question. Someone told me that while he is being pottytrained that outside time should ONLY be for potty time until he is completely housebroken. So, I can't walk him until then?

I totally disagree with that…. however, since he is so young, you need to be careful until he has all his shots... things like "smelling" other dogs poop that is not picked up is a big no, no..... as if that dog is not up to date on shots, the virus sheds in the poop.... just common sense when walking.

Sorry to say but your puppy came from a less then responsible breeder, the sire and dam are fulll brother and sister, while accidents happen, this fact should have been made very clear to you. There can be health concerns with a breeding with littermates. I would highly recommend that you do the DNA test for Fanconi asap... that way you know the status.

[Quercus]

@DexterDex:

ONE more question. Someone told me that while he is being pottytrained that outside time should ONLY be for potty time until he is completely housebroken. So, I can't walk him until then?

No…rubbish...He needs exercise and socialization while he is learning house training.

[DexterDex]

Now I'm worried!! Fanconi? How can you tell that they are brother and sister??? Is there anything else regarding that issue that I should be concerned with?

[Patty M]

@DexterDex:

Now I'm worried!! Fanconi? How can you tell that they are brother and sister??? Is there anything else regarding that issue that I should be concerned with?

OK, deep breath… relax... I don't know any more than you do... facts are facts. I think you should research here:

http://www.pedigrees.zandebasenjis.com/

Whatever you find out… and again, I'm a dog owner, not a breeder, so I would be upset if I found in-breeding too! The little wrinkled wonderful bundle of joy is supposed to be perfect, and he is expecting you (and fiance) to teach him what life is about. Dexter didn't read AKC books. He doesn't know what fanconi is, or isn't. And if you find out that he has three kidneys instead of two... will you put him down? (NO!)...

Again, deep breath. He's learning the pee'ing rules... and you are too, lol!

Reference moving the kennel around... if it's OK for him to be out of the crate at one time (versus the other), then can I suggest a big pillow/dog bed in that strategic location?

It's encouraging to read about your progress... he will be fine!!!

[Patty M]

@tanza:

Sorry to say but your puppy came from a less then responsible breeder, the sire and dam are fulll brother and sister, while accidents happen, this fact should have been made very clear to you. There can be health concerns with a breeding with littermates. I would highly recommend that you do the DNA test for Fanconi asap… that way you know the status.

Pat, how did you look this up? Do you know the breeder, or is there a database that you have access to? What type of health concerns can happen if the parents are full brother and sister?

The zandebasenji database has two names as females, or am I reading it wrong?
Not an exact match:
Congo Matadi's Mameluke Of Lazy K
Brindle & White
F
HP274753/01 USA
25 Dec 2006

and

Princess Gotto Zimba Linlos Stripe
F
HP274753/02 USA
25 Dec 2006

[DexterDex]

Thanks Patty M for the link and for encouraging me to stay calm. I also looked up the names on the link that you posted, and saw the same as you- not an exact match. What does this mean that the actual name is not in the database? I really know nothing about this topic, unfortunately. We will be bringing Dex to the vet and I will mention the fanconi issue; I don't know if that is something that they would normally test for? I will try to stay calm till then. sigh I'm SO glad to have found this site!

[tanza]

@DexterDex:

We will be bringing Dex to the vet and I will mention the fanconi issue; I don't know if that is something that they would normally test for? I will try to stay calm till then. sigh I'm SO glad to have found this site!

VETS do not do the test for Fanconi, it is done with a Cheek Swab that you order yourself. You will find that many Vets don't even know what Fanconi is… or how it is treated. You really should read up at www.basenjihealth.org about health concerns in our breed.

[tanza]

@Patty:

Pat, how did you look this up? Do you know the breeder, or is there a database that you have access to? What type of health concerns can happen if the parents are full brother and sister?

The zandebasenji database has two names as females, or am I reading it wrong?
Not an exact match:
Congo Matadi's Mameluke Of Lazy K
Brindle & White
F
HP274753/01 USA
25 Dec 2006

and

Princess Gotto Zimba Linlos Stripe
F
HP274753/02 USA
25 Dec 2006

You know, I didn't even notice that both were bitches…

I wonder if the sire could be Chief Nala Rondo of Lazy K? On Sally's site it shows Mameluke of Lazy K being bred in 2008... But regardless I am willing to bet that they are closely inbred... with no health testing done on anything.

[lvoss]

Nala Matadi's Mameluke of Lazy K, HP32581902, Dec 13, 2008, Br/W, Male

He is the nephew of the bitch he was bred to, to produce your puppy.

[tanza]

@lvoss:

Nala Matadi's Mameluke of Lazy K, HP32581902, Dec 13, 2008, Br/W, Male

He is the nephew of the bitch he was bred to, to produce your puppy.

So, not in Sally's database…. Sire of the above Chief Nala Rondo of Lazy K and dam of the above is Congo Matadi's Mameluke of Lazy K.

And curious? Where is the Brindle color coming from? There are dogs in the pedigrees that have produced Fanconi. This is why any dogs that would be bred should be tested first.

[DexterDex]

I read the health information from the link that was provided as well as some from others as soon as fanconi was mentioned. My fiance and I were ignorant in our search for a breeder and for Dexter, an issue that I'm sure many people have unfortunately. We were told that if a breeder has a license and is registered with the AKC that they must be good enough, and I see that this is not true. I was nervous and mentioned to my fiance several times that I didn't know how a breeder should act, but that I was unsure of the fat that Dex's breeder didn't ask us any questions other than "Will you be breeding him?", but as I said, we were ignorant, and we did not know what to expect or do. I hope no one will look down on us for that, and all I can say is that I will do what I can for him and that now I know better.

[Schouiffy]

It's wonderful you found the site. Don't beat yourself up about the puppy, you have him now - and you will know better for next time because if you have one Basenji you will want two. We will be happy to help in all ways that we can.

[Kipawa]

I agree with Shouiffy - don't beat yourself up now. Just make a pact with yourself that you will do research on anything in the future to do with Dexter.

I would send away for the cheek swab test. Knowing your dog's health is better than not knowing. If Dexter tests positive, we are all here to help support you and Dexter.

[tanza]

@DexterDex:

I read the health information from the link that was provided as well as some from others as soon as fanconi was mentioned. My fiance and I were ignorant in our search for a breeder and for Dexter, an issue that I'm sure many people have unfortunately. We were told that if a breeder has a license and is registered with the AKC that they must be good enough, and I see that this is not true. I was nervous and mentioned to my fiance several times that I didn't know how a breeder should act, but that I was unsure of the fat that Dex's breeder didn't ask us any questions other than "Will you be breeding him?", but as I said, we were ignorant, and we did not know what to expect or do. I hope no one will look down on us for that, and all I can say is that I will do what I can for him and that now I know better.

As already said, what is done is done… you can now take the time to learn about how to find a responsible breeder and you can help to educate anyone you know that buying a puppy is more then just doing an internet search.... or asking the price.

As noted, you should do the Fanconi test for your own piece of mind... well worth the 65.00.

And here is a link to "how to screen breeders" that you can learn from along with helping to teach others.

http://www.tanzabasenjis.net/selectbreeder.html

[curlytails]

Hi Dexter, and welcome to the forum.

Agreed that what's done is done – but a mistake made in ignorance probably won't be repeated, once you know. I've been there/done that too, joining a pet forum after my partner and I got our first dog, our Shiba Inu, from an unethical source. And, well, learning what we did, and learning to grow up with our little hellion, changed our life.

If you're in it for the long haul, this forum will help you.

(That said, can I just make a quick gripe that it drives me batty that this breeder can't even spell Shiba Inu properly on her website?! "Sheba Ina" ...?! I know in the bigger scheme of things, there are greater offenses, but this is the kind of thing I would expect a stranger on the street to call this breed that I also care about, NOT someone who claims to know what they're doing as a "breeder"!)