Do you know this breeder?

[Natalplum]

Does anyone know this breeder? Christian Esh on Engola Road in Newburg, PA. His name is on the paperwork as the breeder of my boy. I want to know if he is a legit breeder or not. I also want to know more about my boy's background and testing. On the paperwork it says Sire: Noah's Landing Bongo Drum, Registration # PA-ABA-0550958-001 Dame: Esh's Trixie Jewel, Registration #PA-ABA-0502823-005. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

[tanza]

@Natalplum:

Does anyone know this breeder? Christian Esh on Engola Road in Newburg, PA. His name is on the paperwork as the breeder of my boy. I want to know if he is a legit breeder or not. I also want to know more about my boy's background and testing. On the paperwork it says Sire: Noah's Landing Bongo Drum, Registration # PA-ABA-0550958-001 Dame: Esh's Trixie Jewel, Registration #PA-ABA-0502823-005. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

I have never heard of this person nor is he a member of the Basenji Club of America (responsible breeders are typically members of the National Parent club)
I also looked for the sire and dam in Sally Wallis's pedigree site (AKC registered and foreign registered dogs) and neither are there. I also checked OFA (in case there happened to be any testing done) and neither dog are there either.

Conclusion, this is not a responsible breeder. So I doubt you will find any health or background information on your boy.

Did you happen to get a pedigree that shows grandparents? Many times Back Yard Breeders, Pure for profit breeders, and puppymiller at some point did have AKC registered dogs.

In your boy's case, I would get the DNA Fanconi test done… as soon as possible so that you know that outcome.

[basi]

Just had a quick look on here and neither of these dogs have come up I'm afraid. Maybe someone can shed some light for you.

[basi]

You beat me to it Tanza:D

[Natalplum]

Thanks guys! Hey I thought the Fanconi test was not done until age 4.

[Natalplum]

Do I just call my vet and ask him to do a DNA Fanconi test?

[etzbseder]

No, there is a bit more to it than that. Please see some of the other threads on Fanconi. They will lead you to the right places, as I don't know the addresses off the top of my head.

You basically have to register with the Canine Phenome Project, print out the forms, get blood collected a certain way, send it overnight, and wait about 6 weeks.

[lvoss]

If you go to the BHE website there is a FAQ about the Fanconi Test, http://www.basenjihealth.org

[tanza]

@Natalplum:

Thanks guys! Hey I thought the Fanconi test was not done until age 4.

As others have noted, you can find the information about the Fanconi Test at www.basenjihealth.org

Also, as far as being of age 4, that is when people start monthly strip testing (except that it really should be at age 3). Before we had the test the only way to check was to strip test monthly starting at age 3yrs, as Fanconi is late onset. Also people that have had results come back from the DNA test as Affected, they know that they must continue to strip test monthly starting at age 3.

[Natalplum]

Again, Thanks for all your help!

[EskiLovr]

@Natalplum:

Does anyone know this breeder? Christian Esh on Engola Road in Newburg, PA. His name is on the paperwork as the breeder of my boy. I want to know if he is a legit breeder or not. I also want to know more about my boy's background and testing. On the paperwork it says Sire: Noah's Landing Bongo Drum, Registration # PA-ABA-0550958-001 Dame: Esh's Trixie Jewel, Registration #PA-ABA-0502823-005. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Those registration numbers are ACA numbers. ACA may be able to provide you with some pedigree background information. Although ACA is not a widely recognized registry, it does keep some pedigree information.

[EskiLovr]

Do you have a kennel name on this person? How old is your pup? Is this an Amish breeder? Did you get your puppy directly from this breeder? We are researching breeders in that area for a pedigree.

[Natalplum]

@EskiLovr:

Do you have a kennel name on this person? How old is your pup? Is this an Amish breeder? Did you get your puppy directly from this breeder? We are researching breeders in that area for a pedigree.

There is no kennel name just the breeders name. Actually I never thought about an Amish breeder but that could actually be correct. I think Newburg is about 3 hours away from me and Lancaster is sort of near there. I'll have to check on that. I did NOT get my B from him directly. We rescued him from a pet store. He was there stuck in a crate for 3.5 months. I hope this helps.

[tanza]

@Natalplum:

There is no kennel name just the breeders name. Actually I never thought about an Amish breeder but that could actually be correct. I think Newburg is about 3 hours away from me and Lancaster is sort of near there. I'll have to check on that. I did NOT get my B from him directly. We rescued him from a pet store. He was there stuck in a crate for 3.5 months. I hope this helps.

99.9% of the time, puppies that come from a pet store are from a puppy mill. Responsible breeders never sell puppies to pet stores. The good news is that he has a good and happy home now… so the best thing you can do now is love him, give him a great home, get him DNA tested for Fanconi... and next time you want a puppy, go to a responsible breeder....

[dmcarty]

And buying from a petstore just ensure that puppy mills produce more animals since now there is a 'market'. painful as it is - you should leave puppies in the pet store because while you may save one - you really have just condemed many more.

Try a reputable rescue organization or a reputable breeder - I am just amazed that so many people on this list that have heard the horror stories and have gotten good information from those of us who have been 'walking the talk' for many years - still seem to find the worse situations possible to get a dog.

[dmcarty]

And buying from a petstore just ensure that puppy mills produce more animals since now there is a 'market'. painful as it is - you should leave puppies in the pet store because while you may save one - you really have just condemed many more.

Try a reputable rescue organization or a reputable breeder - I am just amazed that so many people on this list that have heard the horror stories and have gotten good information from those of us who have been 'walking the talk' for many years - still seem to find the worse situations possible to get a dog.

[sharronhurlbut]

Let us know what you find out re your b and the health issues you will face.
We can help you.

[Kebasmom]

Wow, I know this is an old thread, but the sire of this dog - Bongo - was just signed over to BRAT today!!

[Chealsie508]

wow! what do you know- I have to say that given the circumstances, BRAT is the best place he could end up- it didn't sound like he came from a responsible breeder so hopefully he finds a good home- Thanks for sharing

[curlytails]

This forum never ceases to amaze me.
Thanks for letting us know, Kebasmom.