Rare Brindle Basenji?????

[tanza]

@TuckerVA:

Is the 'newer' pointed-brindle tricolor any more rare? According to what I read, these are the latest 'new' color B's out of Africa (from the 80's, I think?). Hailing only 40 miles from the original imports. I read a description and it sounds like a regular brindle to me, just a fancy name…

I originally wanted to adopt a black and white and there were actually few on BRAT's site when I was looking. However, since it was an adoption, I had some non-negotiables which included the B NOT being house destructive, being housetrained and being 5 years old or younger. Tucker was one of the few that met this criteria! Buy we all know that even then, you have no idea what you are getting in to.

As for the email I sent them, I only feel partially bad. While the price doesn't seem to bad in retrospect (at least not for a registered line), it was a bit higher than an average that I saw. Lots of prices seem to hover around 600, but perhaps that is just from people who's be got knocked up and had a litter... Additionally, brindles aren't considered rare. There's SIX of them up for adoption on BRAT's site right at this moment. (One B&W as well)

They would be called Trindle (brindle pointed tris).. and they are only rare in the fact that it depends on what you are breeding… case in point, right now on the West Coast we have loads of Tris, Blacks, and Brindle showing where in years past Reds were dominate

[Barklessdog]

To me, the Trindle is a little too much, as it starts to muddy the brilliant Tri's markings, which to me look super crisp.

Add black streaks and it just makes them look less brilliant to me.

Now the cream basenji would be something.

[Basenji_Boy]

Trindle, It isn't an accepted color/pattern is it?

[tanza]

@Basenji_Boy:

Trindle, It isn't an accepted color/pattern is it?

We have NO DQ's for color in our breed standard… so it is "accepted" per say... All comes to personal choice as I see it... I don't like Trindle, never did, never will, but that doesn't mean that there are not nice ones out there and there are champion trindles too. And that doesn't mean that I would not consider using a Trindle (as I co-bred with Lisa as proof to that)... But I would not particularly go out of my way to produce one... it all comes down to what is best for the bitch you are breeding... health, temperament, conformation, etc...

[Basenji_Boy]

@tanza:

We have NO DQ's for color in our breed standard… so it is "accepted" per say...

What's a DQ?

[WBL]

@Basenji_Boy:

What's a DQ?

Disqualification I believe

[TuckerVA]

DQ = Disqualification…

I think THIS Basenji has a REALLY unique coat...

I know that look. He's thinking… "Please leave the room so I can shred this awful coat!"

[WBL]

LMAO now I have never seen such a unique coat on a basenji before, now that must be the rare leopard basenji

[TuckerVA]

Yes! They come from breeding a Basenji with a Leopard and an Eskimo! AKA: The Baleopimo.

(no offense to any eskimos here…or leopards, for that matter...)

[gbroxon]

@WBL:

LMAO now I have never seen such a unique coat on a basenji before, now that must be the rare leopard basenji

Oh, no! That is a leopard-patterned tri Basenji with a full butt collar! I see them all the time! BYBs and puppymillers charge bookoo bucks for full butt collars!

[Basenji_Boy]

@tanza:

We have NO DQ's for color in our breed standard… so it is "accepted" per say... All comes to personal choice as I see it... I don't like Trindle, never did, never will, but that doesn't mean that there are not nice ones out there and there are champion trindles too. And that doesn't mean that I would not consider using a Trindle (as I co-bred with Lisa as proof to that)... But I would not particularly go out of my way to produce one... it all comes down to what is best for the bitch you are breeding... health, temperament, conformation, etc...

I've only ever seen one and it was this past summer…..they tell me the judge gave the person a hard time about it. I can't confirm that.

I just thought it looked like a cloudy Tri. I didn't think it looked that good.

[lvoss]

@Basenji_Boy:

I've only ever seen one and it was this past summer…..they tell me the judge gave the person a hard time about it. I can't confirm that.

I just thought it looked like a cloudy Tri. I didn't think it looked that good.

As with most brindles, I think the overall look depends on the quality of the stripes. I have seen some nicely marked Trindles and some that just look muddy. Some judges have made a big deal about the color because it is not explicitly described in our standard. AKC has argued that the wording for a tri color dog in our standard is loose enough to include brindle pointed tri. Fanciers argue round and round on the point. Since color is something that everyone can see it is something that everyone has an opinion on.

[TuckerVA]

If you google the 'trindle' or pointed brindle tri, there isn't a whole lot to see. To me it looks like a tricolor with only markings in the 'red' portion of the coat. Is there such a thing as a tri with the red markings in the black part of the coat? Like stripes? Most stripes I've seen are black on red, not red on black.

[Basenji_Boy]

@lvoss:

As with most brindles, I think the overall look depends on the quality of the stripes. I have seen some nicely marked Trindles and some that just look muddy. Some judges have made a big deal about the color because it is not explicitly described in our standard. AKC has argued that the wording for a tri color dog in our standard is loose enough to include brindle pointed tri. Fanciers argue round and round on the point. Since color is something that everyone can see it is something that everyone has an opinion on.

So it's up to the individual judge?

[tanza]

Boy that is the truth about the fancy and arguments about color…. again, we all need to learn to look past the color but that doesn't mean that people will breed for it... because people always will have a preference. And true with Brindles and the quality of the stripes... I know of one dog around here that you would be hard pressed most days to even find the stripes.. but they really are there....

[tanza]

@Basenji_Boy:

So it's up to the individual judge?

Judges should follow the standard, since there is nothing that says that these colors are not acceptable, just maybe not totally spelled out.. that said, judges should NOT be judging color period IMO

[Basenji_Boy]

@tanza:

Judges should follow the standard, since there is nothing that says that these colors are not acceptable, just maybe not totally spelled out.. that said, judges should NOT be judging color period IMO

Yeah, should not be….....:eek:

[BasenjiDiva]

@TuckerVA:

DQ = Disqualification…

I know that look. He's thinking... "Please leave the room so I can shred this awful coat!"

He also looks like he's thinking that someone is going to pay big time for dressing him up in that coat! That is a definite "I am NOT amused" look!

Pat

[jenwilson]

Soooo, according to this BYB a Brindle Basenji is worth more $$$?!?!? My Brindle Basenji/Whippet mix was $100.00 from the animal shelter!!! Even us first-time basenji owners, that have done their research, know that brindle is not rare. Here in Knoxville I have only seen about 3 purebred basenjis, although I hear there are more around town. 2 were R/W, 1 was Tri-Colored and the tri-colored won 2nd place in a local contest!!! COOL!

[wizard]

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