AKC basenji boy looking to stud HELP!

[barkless513]

We would like info on breeding our AKC registered stud. We dont know where to start as we have never done this before. If anyone could help us find out how to get started , please send me a private message.

[lvoss]

What venues have you competed in with your basenji? Has he recieved any titles? What is his age? What are his health clearances, OFA numbers for Hips, Patellas, and Thyroid? CERF Number? Who are his sire and dam? Does he and his parents and grandparents all strip clear for urine glucose?

These are just some starting questions that a responsible breeder will want answers to just to start a dialogue.

[barkless513]

my Tobias has a wonerful gene pool ,their are six champions on his Fathers side with JR coursing champs, confirmation, agility, and more. I know that there are several OFA certified relatives all rated good or excellent, Im not sure what a few other abbreviations mean, DNA & VI , I mean I know what DNA is but what does this mean for Tobias and how do I get all the ducks in a row. What does it take to have him tested for these, would you reccomend a sighthound specilist?

[Quercus]

Well, letsee…most responsible breeders will ask you why you want to breed your dog......first you should study the breed (hopefully for a few years). Understand the past, present and future of the Basenji. Make yourself knowledgable as to why Basenjis aren't the perfect breed for everyone. Educate yourself as to what Tobias' physical and mental strengths and weaknesses are...that is, why a breeder may want to breed her bitch to him...because simply to make and sell puppies is not a good enough answer.

To be a candidate to be bred, a Basenji should first off be healthy, physically and genetically. He would need to have his eyes checked by an opthamologist to see if he has any signs of inherited eye disease (namely PPM and PRA) if he does not, he will be awarded a CERF number. He needs to have his urine strip tested once a month, beginning at the age of three to determine whether there is sugar in his urine (an indicator of Fanconi syndrome). As a breeder, you need to know whether the dogs in his pedigree had Fanconi, or ever had any close relatives with it...any responsible breeder will expect you to be able to answer that question. He will need to have is own hips OFAd..just because his relatives are good and excellent does not mean he will be. A DNA profile would tell prospective breeders that he is the dog his pedigree says he is; and it would allow a breeder to be sure that his offspring were his (this can be a big problem with puppymills and irresponsible breeders)

Then, how is his temperament? Does he have any basic obedience skills? Does he ever growl at people? How is he around other dogs?

There are lots of other threads here about what makes a responsible breeder. It is pretty unlikely that any responsible breeder will take someone seriously that is looking to stud their dog without understanding all that goes into planning a breeding. If you are serious about wanting to learn, and passionate about preserving a unique, 5,000 year old breed, then there are lots of ways for you to get more involved; but looking for someone to make puppies with isn't one of them.

[lvoss]

Andrea has made several very good points.

I would also add, 6 CH in how many generations? Also JC titles are not championships they are required before a dog can run in competition with AKC. Besides the titles of the dogs behind your dog what does Tobias have to offer the breed.

As and example, my male's pedigree 7 out 7 dogs on his sire's side in a 3 generation pedigree are champions and 5 out of 7 on his dam's side. He himself is AKC Dual Champion and has hips, patellas, thyroid all tested and in the OFA database as well as a CERF number. He is 9 years old and strip tests negative, his parents at the age of 14 are still strip testing negative for urine glucose. My male has never been used.

If you have not already done so, please become familiar with the diseases that are found in the basenji breed, http://basenji.org/?q=node/17 A responsible breeder will ask you about the status of your dog with regards to these diseases as well as the dogs in your dog's 5 generation pedigree. If you do not know the health status of the dogs behind Tobias you will need to be willing to send many emails and make lots of phone calls to collect that information.

[barkless513]

I would never want to stud my boy just for the money, I have been doing alot of research and was actually refered to this forum to get the most out of my education on my baby boy, he is only 14 months old. I do not plan on breeding until I know its the right thing for him. He has a great temperment. Such a wonderful boy. The breeders we got him from were not perfect , they did not give us alot of information, and simply did not answer some of our questions. We are at the moment working with our vet to test for OFA and vision, he told us glucose testing was not needed until he was older. I come from a long line of breeders, my father is a detective for the drug task force here in middle TN, but my family breeds german shepards, and basenjis to me are very differnt, special in so many ways. To be clear I'm not looking for a bitch, all I want is information from people who respect and love this breed as much as I. I would never place any of my pups with someone who did not know about the breed, also I would like to know if it would be unethical to prescreen my potential pups new owners? Basenji rescue of America is wonderful but I would never want my pups to end up there in the first place. I dont care about the money, I just want to keep the breed alive and ,strong. There are no breeders in my area and everyone always says "what a beautiful dog, what is he?" I would love to change that. These dogs deserve to be known. Thank you all for the information. I really appreciate all the feedback.

[Quercus]

<< I would never place any of my pups with someone who did not know about the breed, also I would like to know if it would be unethical to prescreen my potential pups new owners? Basenji rescue of America is wonderful but I would never want my pups to end up there in the first place. I dont care about the money, I just want to keep the breed alive and ,strong. >>

Well, it sounds like you are on the right track then. It is definitely ethical to prescreen potential puppy buyers, it would be UNethical not to! You could start off by contacting some BCOA breeders in your area, to see if they are willing to have you over, or meet you at a show where they could go over your dog. It would probably be helpful to have someone give you an opinion on his physical structure. Many responsible breeders don't require that dogs be AKC champions to be bred, but they do require that the dogs have physical qualities that would improve or compliment each other. You could travel to a Regional or National Specialty, to meet lots of basenjis and their people. You could get involved in lure coursing, you will learn a TON from the folks that are involved in that. Somewhere on this forum Lisa recently listed a bunch of books that are great for folks interested in learning about the breed. If you haven't yet, check out the Basenji Club of America website…www.basenji.org

I really like it when I hear someone say 'I would like to breed my dog, and this is why it would benefit the breed (fill in the blank). And here is why it would not be a detriment to the breed (fill in all the health and temperament testing). '

Best of luck, and feel free to contact me for more info

[barkless513]

Thanks for the input, I have been looking for more info on lure coursing, I have tied a plastic bag to the end of a pole w/ a long string, and Tobias loves it!! I wish I had the energy of this caliber! I have been doing research on The Basenji Club of America, and plan join very soon.This breed has a spunk and determination that is unmatched.

[Quercus]

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Yeah...ditto for my male (6 CH out of 7 on sire's side and 7 out of 7 on dams) he is a conformation Champion in AKC and Canada, and a Canine Good Citizen. He's OFA good, CERFd last year, thryoid normal, stripping clear at 8 years old. His sire died Fanconi free at thirteen or so, and his mother is still still test stripping clear at twelve. He *has been used once though, by his breeder. But people aren't knocking down our door to use him. He is a VERY nice dog...he is not a group placing quality dog, and there is Fanconi peripherally around his pedigree. He is frozen in a sperm bank, and we will probably neuter him this year. We will probably use his "pupcicles" somewhere down the road

[dmcarty]

Do you have AKC papers on your dog? Is your dog a Champion of Record in Obedience and Conformation. Do you know what every dog behind your dog was like, what they died from , etc.

Many many of us who show - have wonderful intact CH animals of both sexes that we have chosen - for whatever reason not to breed. Quite honestly most people who are serious basenji breeder/exhibitors have too many quality animals with documented pedigrees to consider an unknown like your boy - regardless of how handsome he may be.

If you have a pedigree - I would be happy to look at it and tell you (privately) if I know anything about what might be behind your dog. You can email me at: dmcarty100@msn.com or dmcarty100@yahoo.com

[tanza]

@barkless513:

I would never want to stud my boy just for the money, I have been doing alot of research and was actually refered to this forum to get the most out of my education on my baby boy, he is only 14 months old. I do not plan on breeding until I know its the right thing for him. He has a great temperment. Such a wonderful boy. The breeders we got him from were not perfect , they did not give us alot of information, and simply did not answer some of our questions. We are at the moment working with our vet to test for OFA and vision, he told us glucose testing was not needed until he was older. I come from a long line of breeders, my father is a detective for the drug task force here in middle TN, but my family breeds german shepards, and basenjis to me are very differnt, special in so many ways. To be clear I'm not looking for a bitch, all I want is information from people who respect and love this breed as much as I. I would never place any of my pups with someone who did not know about the breed, also I would like to know if it would be unethical to prescreen my potential pups new owners? Basenji rescue of America is wonderful but I would never want my pups to end up there in the first place. I dont care about the money, I just want to keep the breed alive and ,strong. There are no breeders in my area and everyone always says "what a beautiful dog, what is he?" I would love to change that. These dogs deserve to be known. Thank you all for the information. I really appreciate all the feedback.

Since you have already said that his breeders didn't give you alot of information, what did they give you? There are breeders on this list that would be glad to look at his pedigree for you (myself included) and let you know what we know about the health/temperament and conformation behind your dog. I would also encouage you to show him or if nothing else try your had an lure course… Breeding as you know is a life time committment... there are no short cuts... but honestly, unless you show him, or have titles in performance, and then do all the health testing I don't think you will have responsible bitch owners looking to breed to him.... Have you submitted his DNA to the Basenji Club of America? That would be IMO the first step, we hope to have a DNA test for Fanconi ready by breeding season this fall. And of course you can't get an OFA number until he is over two... In reality there is no hurry for your to push to bred him.... Basenjis can live a very long time... also now days we have the advantage of frozen semen collection, so many breeders are collecting their boys and never using them until they are fairly old (sometimes not till they are over 12) to verify health clearances... This is especially important since we do not have a DNA test for PRA (blindness) and that is late onset in our breed...

[tanza]

The Basenjis that I have, have Champions and Dual Champions in the first 5 generations both Sire and Dam, plus the dog/bitch itself is a Conformation Champion, Duel Champions (Field and show ring) along with Obedience….. that doesn't mean that I think they should or need to be bred... and that said, were not...