Screaming must stop!

[ChrisF]

Sorry Mike about the hostility you feel on this forum. I have figured out they just can't help it. Lots of Basenji advocates that are experts and I think their dogs may be more important than people. It is a good idea to read others questions and learn from that rather than putting yourself out there to be chopped up.
I researched too but still had no idea what I was actually getting into. We went to puppy school and then I hired a private trainer who had lots of Basenji experience....it is hard to get through the first year. But trust me it will be worth it to persevere.
I used a crate, and no it has not been in my room near the bed ever. She started in the laundry room at night only and I used daytime gates so I could control her location with me. Also I bought a playpen type fence to be on the deck.
Now she is 3 yrs old and we are down to one gate and a fenced back yard. She has a bed on the sofa and in the guest room, and on the back deck.
She basically has the run of the house minus the bedrooms. (Well she thinks the guest room is her room).
I am sure you are doing lots of things right. What I find with this breed is that they are so smart you have to develop dog psychology. They must understand that you are the boss without you raising your voice or hand against them. I have developed a routine and it seems to work for us. For example while you are establishing that you make the rules don't put your dogs dish down until you begin your dinner. Small thing but once she learned that we eat first and she must wait until I put her dish down that made me the boss. But you need to be consistent. She gets it and she sits licking her lips as she sees her dish on the counter. There is no jumping or drama about it anymore.
This process of you being a dependable and caring provider that your dog can predict behavior from you will pay off.
I have had times of discouragement too. I think if you limit the crating to when you can't be there and keep your life in a predictable pattern you will find the dog fitting in and settling down.

[mister science]

get a recording from the breeder of the dogs in his kennel when they are all crated up and talking to each other-play that while you are 'out'. a little young for a basenji to 'leave home'?

[JHewell]

May not work for everyone but the best thing I did was to throw that crate out the door. Afterwards Sarge seemed to be more relaxed and adjusted. Now 5 years later and no crate in sight things are great. Just give him a spot on the back of the sofa to look the window and he's happy.

[sakuhn62]

Basenjis sleep with you or you pay the price. We crated our pup for a while short periods but now only for behavior issues. We still have the crate and leave it open where we put her toys she is free to go in and out we seldom use it now she is 3. Basenjis are people dogs and need lots of attention and exercise.

[Kembe]

@jhewell
Re-think the use of the crate. I also got rid of the crate - my B was crate trained but I like to say I “de-crate trained her”. She has free reign of the house and has never been destructive. I wanted her to be free w/out restrictions. Now fast forward and she’s now 15 years old with some issues - wish I had kept her crate trained because there have been some situations where it would now be good for her SAFETY to be in a crate, Learn from my mistakes - hind sight is 20/20.

[JKent]

I have a 9 month old who wanted to follow us everywhere at first. It was a lot easier once she was old enough to safely climb the stairs.

As she has matured we are finding that she often chooses to stay in the other room or in her (open) crate as long as the door isn't closed and she can come and find us if she needs us.

Looking back it was quite a short space of time that she had this intense need, but it was hard not knowing when it would end. Letting go and allowing her to follow us made it a lot less stressful.

[JKent]

The other benefit of allowing them to follow is exposure to different sights and sounds such as hair dryers etc, so they will be less likely to be fearful of them later on.

[mikesull]

Thanks all. How about feeding? Breeder left food out all day for the puppies and his adult dog. They seemed to nibble all day and not over eat. I have kept same so far - but maybe better to change to 3x a day?

[eeeefarm]

@jkent said in Screaming must stop!:

The other benefit of allowing them to follow is exposure to different sights and sounds such as hair dryers etc, so they will be less likely to be fearful of them later on.

They also get the opportunity to make mistakes, so you can teach them the rules of the house. I can't emphasize too strongly that a dog in a crate is learning nothing.

[eeeefarm]

@mikesull, I've never followed that practice. Generally a healthy Basenji is going to gobble up the meal unless you are feeding too large a portion. Stale food is off putting and can cause problems with palatability. Better to put the food down and if it isn't promptly eaten, remove it. Four meals a day decreasing to three a day sounds right for a pup, for an adult I would say twice a day. Others may chime in on this, but I think free feeding is a mistake.

[tanza]

@mikesull - I never recommend free feeding. Put the food down, if not eaten in 10 minutes tops, take it away. And dry kibble is pretty boring for any dog. Mix a bit of wet canned with the kibble. Even with my litters I never ever free fed... 3 meals a day till 4 months and then twice a day. Snacks inbetween like a cookie or two...

[mikesull]

Thanks!! I thought the food available at all times was unusual. Will start new routine tmrw!!

[A Former User]

Talk with someone professional as soon as possible. It’s very not normal behavior to any puppy and must be dealt with professional help

[tanza]

@mikesull - Also I give mine as many of us do, veggies, steamed or raw... great treats and healthy for them...also fruits... I give mine yogurt once a day... and yes they eat it off a spoon..LOL.

[tanza]

@mshilo - Hate to disagree, but very normal for a puppy .... They want to be with their family.. and now that the pup has been removed from the litter pack, humans are the pack... if at home they want to be with you... not in a crate. That said, I think it is very, very important that they are crate trained. One for riding in the care and two, if you have work people in the home you want them secure so if someone opens a door and doesn't close it or a yard gate, that pup would be gone...

[senjisilly]

@mikesull

Unfortunately a lot of the opinions you are reading come from a place of frustration over Basenji puppies from Texas for the long time owners and breeders replying to you. When we read "8 weeks" we know that you will likely never get any help from the breeder you purchased and shipped the new love of your life. Regardless, none of that upset is going to help you solve the issues you have with this new puppy. Since he is so young, he needs a lot more attention than normal. There are some stuffed toys that have heartbeats to mimic their mother. Try this link for help and advice as well as an explanation of how their puppy product, Snuggle Puppy, works. https://www.smartpetlove.com/2019/11/26/why-wont-my-puppy-stop-crying-in-their-crate/

[macattack]

@senjisilly

Is there something wrong with Basenji breeders and pups from Texas? We got Charlie from a breeder in Texas as we live in the state, but was curious when I read this.

Also on the snuggle puppy, that worked quite well for Charlie. He snuggles up to Aggie (named the snuggle puppy) and carries her out of the crate sometimes, but overall has taken to the space. We only put him in the crate when he is sleepy, or has fallen asleep elsewhere and we transfer him to get used to the crate as calm time.

[mikesull]

Happy to relay Felix is adjusting to crate and life is so much better for all. He is treated wonderfully rest of time but crated nights (and maybe a few hours a day when am in conf calls and kids at school). I did get that snuggle heartbeat dog - he seems to like it but at same i see him tempted by the ears and nose on it lol. Tried to post pics on here but cant figure it out. Today is first day with 3 meals a day and already fed and took it away this morning. Lets see what happens. Another random food question- he sometimes doesnt eat too much out of the bowl but when i gently hide it under toys or in a tunnel he eats everything. Anyone have similar experience? There are toys out there that double as feeding devices - for example something called “the game” from revol? Maybe thats best for basenjis? Hilarious how different these guys are than traditional dogs haha. Growing up our dog would wolf down any food at any time. Tks

[elbrant]

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@macattack said in Screaming must stop!:

Is there something wrong with Basenji breeders and pups from Texas?

Some breeders are good. Diligent. Focused on eliminating diseases, and preserving desirable traits. Attentive in socialization, nutrition, and proper growth. Other breeders... are not. But above all else, good breeders detest the bad ones. I can see their point, but I admit that I don't know all the details. (We generally avoid negative discussions about specific people.)

[tanza]

@elbrant - And irresponsible breeders take advantage of buyers (people new to the breed) and do not educate or "interview" potential homes to make sure the reasons they are getting/wanting a Basenji is a good reason for that breed. All they care about is the $'s... and not the home. Nor will they take responsibility for that pup for its lifetime with a contract. So in my opinion they need to be called out. I have privately spoken to a number of people here about breeders... and will continue to do so. Especially when DNA testing for Fanconi and PRA at the very least needs to be done.