Patty, I think the whole process re these africans is a time consuming and worth it.
It takes a lot of $$ to go to Africa. Lots of $$ to get the dogs back here and vetted.
Its a long process, but will be worth it when we have new genes to add to the b's lines.
Very exciting time for us all.
Thanks Patty for your interest. Hugs my unmet friend.
Miss Wheat
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Miss Wheat's first health test results are in. She has CERF'd Clear and has tested Probably Carrier for Fanconi.
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Thank you Lisa for posting this photo for me. Sorry its not the best quality, but you can see how she is growing!
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Miss Wheat's first health test results are in. She has CERF'd Clear and has tested Probably Carrier for Fanconi.
She's super cute!!!!
Just curious - is she the first Avongara that has tested as a carrier? I think I had heard of an IND but don't recall hearing of any that came back a true carrier.
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There was just a posting on one of the others that they brought back that tested Carrier and if I remember right (lvoss would know) I think there may be one Avongara that is carrier.
And is this group going to carrier the Avongara name?
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Well actually, that is a good question about the Avongara name. I guess I just assumed since they came from the congo and not the Cameroon or Benin… But now that I'm writing this, Dr. Jo's Lukuru came from the congo...
lol, obviously I didn't think that thru...
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Sharron, she is adorable….Will she still be thought of as a possible AKC stock?
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Not Lisa but no, there are no Avongara's down from the original (88-89) Avongara stock that are carriers (that have been tested of course).
There is one Avongara from the most recent trip (born 2007) that has tested as an IND.
There is at least one Lukuru (out of 4) that is IND; one MPale is either still not tested or the result has not been made public via the OFA site.
Miss Wheat's official name is, according to James' website (James is one of the importers of Miss Wheat), Ntomba Lola Ya Zamba - Ntomba being the prefix for these crop of imports. So there is at least one Ntomba carrier.
Hope this helps clarify.
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PS Sharron - if I could view the picture I imagine she would be a total cutie pattootie but for some reason it is just a blank box. :O(
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Sharron, good test results. That must be some relief. The picture shows she is still that beautiful wheat colour. What a darling she is!
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Sinbaje, I can send you a private photo of Ms Wheat, but I don't know how to post here, and Lisa Voss is kind enough to help me.
I am glad you all posted before I read this, as I am just the home Ms Wheat will go to.
Course, I am delighted she will not get fanconi, but I image its a bit of a blow to the folks who wanted to bring back clear dogs.
Re her name the official name is Ntomba Lola Ya Zamba, and you will see her refered to in posts on other lists, by Lisa Saban, as Zamba Wheat.
If Lisa Voss is still willing to post photos, I will share them as I can.
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Oh, re AKC and BCOA, again, that will be decided by the judges once these dogs all all tested, then put to a vote re acceptance into BCOA. I am unclear re AKC. Maybe someone else can explain that process..if there is one.
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Oh, re AKC and BCOA, again, that will be decided by the judges once these dogs all all tested, then put to a vote re acceptance into BCOA. I am unclear re AKC. Maybe someone else can explain that process..if there is one.
AKC follows BCOA… they opened the stud books at our request and with BCOA procedures... so the procedures that BCOA follows and the final vote that the members do will decide who gets into the stud books.
Sharron, you really should read up on the procedure... it is on the BCOA site
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Pat, IF I was going to breed this girl, I would. BUT I am not. Her adding to the gene pool will not be anything I have a say in. Lisa Saban will decide if she thinks Ms Wheat can help b's…and there is lots of time and testing that has to go on, before they the whole group can be submitted to the BCOA.
If I had a vote in this, I would do my homework. As I don't, I leave it to those who are professionals. I will post to you privately more on this matter.
BUT I do appreciate your concern that someone with an intact dog isn't aware of the
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Sharron, you are going to be Wheat's primary caregiver and as such, you will know her better than anyone else no matter what their level of expertise is. I agree with Pat that you should read up on what the BCOA process is because people are going to ask you since you are her owner. If you are a BCOA member then you do get a vote, literally, on whether these dogs get accepted.
I think ALL BCOA members should be take the time to read the petition to open the stud book, http://www.basenji.org/NativeStock/Application/BasenjiStudbookPetition.pdf Alot of hard work and research went into the petition in order to help provide a long term plan for the survival of our beloved breed.
PS: I have no problem posting the pics that you send.
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Sharron, you are going to be Wheat's primary caregiver and as such, you will know her better than anyone else no matter what their level of expertise is. I agree with Pat that you should read up on what the BCOA process is because people are going to ask you since you are her owner. If you are a BCOA member then you do get a vote, literally, on whether these dogs get accepted.
I think ALL BCOA members should be take the time to read the petition to open the stud book, http://www.basenji.org/NativeStock/Application/BasenjiStudbookPetition.pdf Alot of hard work and research went into the petition in order to help provide a long term plan for the survival of our beloved breed.
PS: I have no problem posting the pics that you send.
I agree with Lisa. And this isn't a cricitism to you Sharron…I can understand your distance from the whole breeding question. But the fact that Wheat is straight out of Africa is going to be interesting to all kinds of people that you run into, and they are going to ask you lots of questions. Personally, I would want to be able to answer their questions about how or why (or why not) she would be included in the the studbook. Again, it goes to not just being an aficionado of our wonderful breed...but a steward of its history and its future. IMO, to take a full African into your home is an incredible honor, but it will come with a certain amount of responsibility to educate anyone who is willing to listen
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Pat, IF I was going to breed this girl, I would. BUT I am not. Her adding to the gene pool will not be anything I have a say in. Lisa Saban will decide if she thinks Ms Wheat can help b's…and there is lots of time and testing that has to go on, before they the whole group can be submitted to the BCOA.
If I had a vote in this, I would do my homework. As I don't, I leave it to those who are professionals. I will post to you privately more on this matter.
BUT I do appreciate your concern that someone with an intact dog isn't aware of the
proceedures re BCOA and AKC.It is still good to know and understand the process for anyone in the breed regardless if you breed or not… at least IMO. Has nothing to do with have intact dog/bitches at all, it has to do with the breed in general.
Especially since the members (as in NOT limited to just members that breed and/or show, etc.) have a "vote" when it comes to the final "judging" for acceptance into the stud books. It is every members responsibility to know the procedure before voting to accept or not accept.
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Pat and Lisa, your both correct and I wasn't thinking of educating the public, just my lack of knowledge re genetics, breeding and the like. I didn't want anyone to think I was
passing myself off on the above, as its not my interest.
BUT I do need to be educated and I will read up on the process.
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Lisa and Pat, I wanted to ask you, if you know… I was reading on the breeders list that shoulders and chests are an issue in our breed.
Do you know if any of the African's who were brought over before Miss Wheat and her group, were good with shoulder structure?
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hi everyone. is this basenji white?.
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Hi Pedro, no, this is a color that is not much seen in the US, but is in Africa.
When we first brought her into this country, she had many black hairs, most of those have gone…and her color is changing every day.
They are doing a color dna is that right a color test for all the b's from Africa so that will be posted soon.
