@DebraDownSouth:
Whoever the breeder was comparing having children to having dogs is someone you need to never talk to again. Either a byb/pm or so impressively uninformed you could never get her up to speed. The comment about "overboard on dogs" has me set off, so buckle up buttercup, my response is not a happy one. That comment disparages GOOD breeders who do it RIGHT, not "overboard." It dismisses the love and responsible actions of people who feel dogs have the right to be produced with the best POSSIBLE chance (not guarantee, but chance) of GOOD HEALTH– not just for the dog, but for the people who love them. And to toss that off as "overboard" makes me want to throw up. You get a dog with severe problems, who suffers because of some NOT-overboard breeder and talk to me about how RESPONSIBLE is "overboard."
First, if you have some horrible genetic disorder, you actually should consider about producing children. But that aside, we have children to keep and love, not to sell. Comparing having a child to breeding puppies to sell is despicable.
Second, no one needs to breed animals. But if you are GOING to, damn straight you need to breed the HEALTHIEST best examples possible. They have no choice in being bred, no choice in the puppies they produce, and no control over what happens to those puppies if some asshat just breeds and is happy with whatever they get because, oh wait, they aren't the ones who suffer and they sure aren't going to put some $10,000 trust funds for the pups to cover medical expenses for life caused by their lack of freaking care. They are scum to produce such dogs, people who buy them KNOWING they are not health testing and doing it right are scum to put money in their pockets and help them keep doing it. Now, most people do not KNOW and buy stupidly. But this is 2012, not 1970 before the internet. So today, I am sorry but it is WILLFUL ignorance. Ten, just 10 minutes, of searching a breed club or AKC would give you info on RESPONSIBLE breeding. But nope, people want it now, they want it easy and they want to pretend innocence. I call BS.
As for YOUR breeder, HELLO. You said you didn't dismiss just because they don't breed. But you admit they are just NOW testing for Fanconi. Linkage test been around a while. What about other health testing... give your dog's name and reg number, lets see if they have ANY testing done. Somehow, I bet not. So in my most debraly of mornings, let me suggest you did in fact KNOW the person was not doing it right, but you wanted a pup and you got it. I don't give a flying fig if your dog LOOKS like the most spectacular winning dog in history. That isn't the point, and you actually know it isn't.
As for the kennel, lol, same ad they had 2 yrs ago when this started:
http://www.breeders.net/detail.php?id=129367
THE AD: Hi my name is Glenn and my wifes name is Virgina, We raise Basenjis in S.W. Michigan,Grand Haven area, Our kennel name is Sun-Dance kennels, We started raseing basenjis about 15 years ago after my parents got out of the dog business in which they raised basenjis for over 25 years, and i have had basenjis as pets for 30 years, The love of this breed started with the very first basenji we ever had or seen for that matter,So are goal is to keep breeding these dogs as great family pets and to get more people to understand the breed. So every Dec we should have a litter or two of brindles and Red&White, And if anyone needs more infomation on this breed or would like to be on a list for upcoming litters please contact anytime <<
No names of their dogs so you can't actually look them up. Nada about testing of any type, their parents were in the BUSINESS for 25 yrs, now they are.
Sooo, just to be thorough, let us assume they have any dogs under their kennel name since normal kennels at least name their own dogs they keep with their name (and having all the puppies is not uncommon at all!).
I went to OFA. So I did Sun Dance, Sun-Dance and Sundance, basenji, and ANY ofa testing… One dog born in the early 1990s. That's it.
http://www.offa.org/results.html?num=®istrar=&namecontains=N&part=Sun+Dance&breed%5B%5D=BJ&breedlist=ALL&variety%5B%5D=&sex=&birthday_start_month=&birthday_start_year=&birthday_end_month=&birthday_end_year=&birthday=®and=N&rptdte_start_month=&rptdte_start_year=&rptdte_end_month=&rptdte_end_year=&rptdte=&submit=Begin+Search 2 dogs,
Oddly, not one "Sun Dance" dog on AKC registration. One "Sun-Dance"… Female / DEC-30-1968
If you want to get a dog from a byb/pm breeder (and frankly, a family producing puppies for sell for over 15 yrs is beyond just a backyard breeder imho), fine. But don't try to paint them as responsible or blow off the need for BEING responsible because the person is chummy with you or your dog looks nice. Give me their dogs real names, prove they do health testing not just FINALLY starting Fanconi, and we can debate if showing is the criteria. Right now, doesn't seem showing is even a blip on their issue.
by the way better check again glenns dogs are registered with akc i called akc myself. my girls litter is on there as well as her parents
and they said he has many other basenjis registered besides my girls mom and dad. as they explained to me you cant register a puppy unless parents are registered which i pretty much already knew but just wanted to call to verify since you said his dogs are not showing
registered. you must have spelled his name one, again goes to show everybody makes mistakes…...
