Controversial posts made by DebraDownSouth

mshilo... You really need help.

@antigone
Experts are people with degrees doing research and proving their ideas.
Experience counts if done repeatedly with good results, it doesn't make it fact/science/applicable to others.

And here you go with "alpha females". done. removing all comments to you. Disruptive to forum, waste of energy.

Harold, I was remiss not to acknowledge your sticking it out and caring for the dog. That is, as others pointed out, wonderful. You also went from really awful training (yelling is not good for any breed) to adjusting to what the dog needs... many people don't have the ability to do that. You tried to understand what he needed, what he responded to, and care for his needs. I deleted my post because it was truly harsh and uncalled for.

Please do not compare autism to animal behaviors. What you have isn't at all like autism. You have a very fearful and reactive dog. Autism is not some strict set of behaviors, and people with autism do not deserve to be treated like they cannot understand or have emotions. We could very well have autistic members here, and most certainly have members with children or family with autism.

Allowing the dog to eat what limited food you have allowed is going to kill him. It is utterly unhealthy. In all situations, someone gets trained. It's good he trained you to stop yelling. Not good he's trained you to give him such a horrific diet. I admit to often allowing my dogs to have leeway about a lot of things... so yes I sometimes get trained. But other things you have to stand firm on. Healthy nutrition is one of them.

Tea is toxic to dogs. Small amounts aren't dangerous, but why give a little of what it not good.

For some really positive training, and easy to understand, obedience lessons are on the left, and problem areas on the right.

http://www.clickerlessons.com/index.htm

I have a dog that gets diarrhea no matter how little of raw that I feed, and thus far, no research actually supports raw as being better for dogs than quality cooked. But I have used Stella's for dogs and most of them love it. If that doesn't work, pick a good quality kibble, add a little warm water, and do tough love. Put the food down... in 15 minutes put it up. Evening, try again. No snacks, no giving in. Most dogs will not starve themselves to death. Obviously if after 3 or 4 days your dog is eating NOTHING, you may have to try adding something to it. You could put a spoon of peanut butter in hot water and soak the kibble, or grind up a small piece of the duck jerky, soak it then mix with the kibble.

NONE of that erases that breeding to make money is something you pointed out as a legit reason to wait. Please stop.

Me too, and dog behaviorists would jump all other the assertions that your dogs are CALM. Um yeah… because dogs learn to have submissive behaviors. There are videos SHOWING how dogs react to being hurt/afraid. They look calm because that is how they learn to stop more attacks in the wild. It doesn't mean they aren't afraid or stressed that you have something on them that can inflict pain if they don't comply.

CAN you train a dog (or your child, husband, employee, etc) with a shock collar? Yes. But should you? I feel it is a betrayal of the relationship, lazy and wrong. As long as every single trainer and behaviorist comparison shows you can train as well or much better without a shock collar, using one is wrong. And unless the person says it is okay for their employer/teacher/partner to use one to train them, then they are fooling no one with assurances that the method is not bad. I just hope we eventually ban them also.

I think what upsets me is that the research is out there and the ability to train without them is there, so I don't understand why anyone would choose to shock a dog on any level for training. I just don't. It makes me sad and it upsets me. And when people say they can do it without it set on a shock level, the question begs then why do you have one that does? There are noise collars.

I don't want this to be a personal fight, but I also don't want to be bullied into pretending I think, any more than Pat, that it is at all okay. I don't want others to come here and see folks just chatting up shocking dogs without knowing that others strongly disagree.

The UK banned them, many european countries have.. and their dogs are better off for it.
http://www.ukpets.co.uk/ukp/index.php?rtn=temp66_249_66_73_at_1614&sf=2000966609§ion=Home&sub=News&rws=&method=fetch&item=1041&tb=introduction

The APDT and the KC claim that not only are such collars inhumane, but that teaching a dog to respond out of fear and pain rather than a natural willingness to obey fails to address underlying behavioural problems and can give rise to far more serious problems.

Carolyn Menteith, APDT spokesperson said:

"We are totally committed to having these barbaric pieces of equipment consigned to dog training history. It is our professional opinion that it is totally unacceptable to train dogs using such inhumane devices, and a complete ban should be implemented as soon as possible. Dogs are meant to be man's best friend - and you don't cause your best friend pain and fear in the name of training." <<

Newest study on collars btw.

https://positively.com/articles/every-dog-owner-should-know-about-this-new-shock-collar-study/

@kjdonkers The problem with "the Swedes told us" is that Swedes are probably as well informed about laws as US citizens. Here's a bit on the truly overkill regs.

https://www.thelocal.se/20080326/10716

Note it says guidelines, not laws. Seems these are used mostly to deal with animal abuse cases.

"Sweden’s Board of Agriculture has issued an extensive set of new guidelines regulating how pet owners treat their dogs and cats.
Among other things, the 15 pages of new guidelines set specifications for how often dogs and cats receive food and exercise, the size and design of their living quarters, as well as the quality of the air Swedish pets breathe."

I really wonder how much money doggy daycare has put into pushing these laws? Dogs aren't toddlers needing constant socialization with other dogs. Most owners don't need regs on how often to feed -- some feed once a day, some 4 to 6 small meals. I'm just shaking my head at the extremity of their guidelines. So someone explain why it isn't cruel to have your dog live outside and brought in only a little each day... but a roomy crate out of the heat, cold, wind etc is cruel? Okay, this is a cute article. I do like the attitude.
http://www.herschwilson.com/dogs-and-animals/is-sweden-a-dog-paradise/

Cats and dogs and other mammals that have more than one offspring at a time can have a different sire for each offspring. (Technical term: superfecundation.) That still doesn't affect the NEXT litter. It is simply biologically impossible. I don't have to be "an expert on cats"... I have a fairly solid understanding of biology and genetics. The "bloodlines change" is, simply, impossible. Whatever old wives tales people might believe, it is, in fact, not biologically possible.

This forum or any forum, anyone with a basic biology and genetics understanding will tell you the same thing if you post that.

You aren't the only person who has wondered/thought the same thing. So... here is a professional answering it, with also an explanation.

What about future litters? There is never any lasting affect from the genetic input from a previous father. So you can breed her to any male you want after this. <<

https://www.drjeffnichol.com/different-fathers-for-the-same-litter/

@2baroos
"" He may be grieving and is angry because he thinks you took his friend away.""

Let's examine your theory of who is a "know it all."

The op has a young maturing dog who is showing aggression and biting. Other than you, not one person declared that, sight unseen, they knew exactly what the issue is (blaming owner and mad.) This is an escalating dangerous problem. So I will say it again.

The only "know it all" is the person using their omnipotent power to declare as a FACT that their dog blamed them and that is the problem. Your response is reckless. It endangers the dog in the off chance something medical is going on, and wastes the op's time....precious time should this dog bite someone who registers a complaint. No rescue will touch him and the owners can be sued.

If you can't handle someone mildly disagreeing before, this one may send you over the edge. Let me point out, since I am sure you're missing it-- I'm still not telling the op I know what her dog needs.

Crating isn't illegal. The size of the kennel and time to keep in it without a break does have limitations, as far as I could find.

If your dog has to be in a vet hospital, do you want to truly make its recovery worse due to not being at ease in a crate? Throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

@elbrant Wow. @mshilo blew a stack out of nowhere. That you would even indicate we are the same. Not to mention you jumped in and drew more responses.

And honestly... REALLY? I don't annoy real people often enough that I'd need to create a 2nd account? Not sure if I should thank you or what. I suspect people get bored, pop in to create problems and get attention. I'm a good target because I am evidently annoying and read as such. But I have been here for nearly 11 freaking years, and I post the same style for 11 freaking years. Not to mention, you can check IPs. If someone tries fake ids, the admins can see it. And, some here have personally met me. O exist. Anyone can find me, real person, nothing hidden. And just because I don't back down when people make it personal doesn't mean I like it. I would like to point out that YOUR post revived one that had stopped, with the pointed jab at me. So much for higher ground.

@antigone said in Yeast infections and hot spots:

Homeopathic Vets they have additional training beyond the usual course. They have their own 'Society" and they treat small and large Animals. You can look that up on the Internet.

Yes, you can look it up.

Homeopathy: The Ultimate Fake - Quackwatch
https://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/homeo.html

I realize that I’ve said it many times before, but it bears repeating. Homeopathy is the perfect quackery.
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/homeopathy-as-nanoparticles/

European Scientists Agree: Homeopathy Is Pure Quackery
https://gizmodo.com/european-scientists-agree-homeopathy-is-pure-quackery-1819010331

The debate about homeopathy is over. These verdicts prove it.
https://health.spectator.co.uk/the-debate-about-homeopathy-is-over-these-verdicts-prove-it/

A brief history of homeopathy - NCBI - NIH
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1676328/

"Homeopathy or homœopathy is a system of alternative medicine created in 1796 by Samuel Hahnemann, based on his doctrine of like cures like (similia similibus curentur), a claim that a substance that causes the symptoms of a disease in healthy people would cure similar symptoms in sick people.[1] Homeopathy is a pseudoscience – a belief that is incorrectly presented as scientific.[2][3][4][5] Homeopathic preparations are not effective for treating any condition; large-scale studies have found homeopathy to be no more effective than a placebo, indicating that any positive effects that follow treatment are not due to the treatment itself but instead to factors such as normal recovery from illness, or regression toward the mean."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy

"What the Science Says About the Effectiveness of Homeopathy
A 2015 comprehensive assessment of evidence by the Australian government’s National Health and Medical Research Council concluded that there is no reliable evidence that homeopathy is effective for any health condition.

Homeopathy is a controversial topic. A number of its key concepts don’t agree with fundamental scientific concepts."

https://nccih.nih.gov/health/homeopathy

@antigone

LOL so now you are a lawyer? Okay then. That makes you an expert on what? Nothing to do with dogs.

Even if you feed what you grow, rain and pollution makes it also contaminated. Feed what you want, but calling me "lax" about my food choices for my dogs, or other people their feeding choice, is uncalled for and says far more about your own insecurities than anything.

Raw isn't proven to be any better than cooked, but it also isn't poison.

And in case you missed it, you keep saying dogs are omnivores. First, that means meat and plant, not just plant.

Even as an "omnivore", experts always said more on meat eating end. And for several years now, actual experts debate if they are even omnivores.

http://www.vetstreet.com/our-pet-experts/are-dogs-carnivores-heres-what-new-research-says

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@dreamskape
There are safe proven treatments for pets. Essential oils have many warnings about toxicity and side effects.

https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/health/are-essential-oils-safe-for-dogs/

Bovine colostrum has many studies supporting it's safety with humans and no indications that it is bad for dogs.

https://vcahospitals.com/know-your-pet/colostrum
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3257684/

Always ask your vet and do your own research before taking advice that can be dangerous.

@harold said in How we got through the first years of "whacko dog" and some tips for you:

my vet has advised the starve until he eats diet which was tried...and why he eats what he eats now. he will not eat if you attempt to force food in his mouth...which has been tried also.

You need a new vet.

From petmd: blah blah blah... <

As I said, talked about, not diagnosed, period. Not one single study, not one authoritative research calling it "autism". It's a response to people saying "they act like"... and THEN vets/behaviorists pointing out hat the behaviors are better defined as OCD and other issues. You aren't a behaviorist, so lumping your dogs behavior into "autistic" with severe behavior issues is derogatory... that kind of labeling is something the Autistic groups have tried to fight for a very long time. It is derogatory and dehumanizing.

and please stop talking about autism like it is something that shouldn't be spoken of in public.<

There is nothing wrong with talking about autism. There is something wrong with someone taking bad behaviors in a dog and calling them autistic. Fighting stereotypes is the opposite of what you did. But go ahead,

As I have stated earlier, I have been a dog owner since I was a child and am now almost 60 years old. Harry is the only dog that I have not been able to train within 30 days. <

Actually, you said you went 15 years with no dog, just your wife's bird. You also talked about yelling at the dog. ( You couldn't yell or scream or raise your voice at him.) You also said you got a dog from craig's list ... and took a mixed dog as a chihuahua. IF you had taken that poor baby to a vet immediately, they'd have known if 8 weeks old or, as you probably guessed right, considerably younger. So owning dogs can be like chewing gum, the more you do it doesn't necessarily confer any type of expertise or even much common sense. Who knows how a person with real experience may have made the dog much more secure, using calming signals, widening exposure to new things. You can't fix a fearful temperament, but a knowledgeable dog owner can improve it tremendously.

Biting isn't uncommon with puppies taken from their litter too young. Fearful behavior is generally genetic. Not knowing how to train a dog who is fearful often feeds into their fears and makes them worse. But whatever.

@antigone
This isn't a board about religion. Just because YOU consider them a "cult" has nothing to do with facts, laws and reality. The Amish have the same rights as any other religion.

As for line and inbreeding, is it possible for you to stick to dogs, just dogs. Especially basenjis. So much misinformation on Tut, but this is a dog board.

Thank you dmcarty... short and to the point.

@Ravensera , be aware that MorseSA is so new to basenjis, he asked if the board knew of any other American/Canadian dual champions. (Extremely common, btw...and many with international titles as well). Please listen to others here years of experience in the breed. And pet or show puppy, you want the same responsible breeders with the same responsible breed testing..

@antigone said in Breeder in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania:

Amish people are no longer considered protected by the First Amendment Freed of Speech and Religion clause. They are considered a Cult.
.. Puppy Mill dogs are line bred and that is wrong because after a few generations of that the dogs have hidden problems. It really makes me angry.

Amish are not a cult. Casting all Amish with a racist term is wrong. And the "no longer considered" drivel is just that. Please stop spreading nonsense. ALL religions have some areas not protected by free speech and religion clause... but no, the Amish are not excluded.

As for "line breeding".. many responsible breeders line breed. Line breeding is not the mark of a puppy mill. They do it often to avoid stud costs, but line breeding per se is not evil. No, line breeding doesn't cause hidden problems (in fact closer to the opposite) and no, not all puppy mill dogs are line bred.

@antigone said in Basenji Puppies in Qatar?:

@debradownsouth I have a friend who lost 2 Austrailian Sheepdogs on a Delta Flight from LAX to JFK. Death in the Cargo Hold is more common than you think.

Nope, they actually keep statistics. It is precisely as common as I think.

Some Airlines treat Pets as Luggage and that is not right. So I must disagree with you regarding long Flights. The Vets recommend SEDATION for any pet that goes on a Plane.

Nowhere to start with "treat as luggage" because what does that mean to you? How do you know? Is putting in cargo your idea of "treat as luggage" or is it something like abusive or uncaring?

As for sedation on flying... you need new vets and to report those who tell you that. For anyone who thinks you are right, below is information based on facts:

1. According to the American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA), sedating cats or dogs during air travel may increase the risk of heart and respiratory problems. Except in unusual circumstances, veterinarians should not dispense sedatives for animals that are to be transported.
   https://www.avma.org/public/PetCare/Pages/Traveling-with-Your-Pet-FAQs.aspx

Also
""Q: Should I tranquilize or sedate my pet for long flights?

A: It is recommended that you DO NOT give tranquilizers to your pet when traveling by air because it can increase the risk of heart and respiratory problems. Short-nosed dogs and cats sometimes have even more difficulty with travel. Visit our FAQs about short-nosed dogs and air travel for more information.

Airlines may require a signed statement that your pet has not been tranquilized prior to flying.

According to Dr. Patricia Olsen with the American Humane Association, "An animal's natural ability to balance and maintain equilibrium is altered under sedation and when the kennel is moved, a sedated animal may not be able to brace and prevent injury."""

FDA
https://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/ResourcesforYou/AnimalHealthLiteracy/ucm352635.htm
Sedatives: While sedatives may make your pet seem less stressed during car trips, these medications also have a tendency to dull the senses and lessen your pet’s ability to react to the environment, which can be dangerous in an emergency. When traveling by car or by plane, avoid giving your pet any type of sedative. If you think Champ or Freckles really needs a sedative to travel, talk to your pet’s veterinarian before your trip.

Airlines:
https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/travel/animals/procedures.html
United supports the American Veterinarian Medical Association’s recommendation to not accept animals that have been sedated. United will not knowingly accept a dog or cat that has been sedated and accepts no liability for the death or sickness of an animal caused by any drug.

PetAir UK
Q. Can I sedate my pet before they fly?
No. No and No. Those clever folks in the USA did a study on deaths of animals after flying and veterinary grade sedatives were implicated in around half of them, so it is banned. Secondly, there are no drugs which will work for the full length of the journey and no-one can guarantee how they will work with the air pressure changes and if they make your pets excitable or too sedated we don’t want that to happen.
https://www.petairuk.com/faq-page#t16n175

I could post more but state by state vet assoc say the same thing.