Help…my old girl is having seizures...

[Lauma]

Thanks for your help: I will look into it…

[Lauma]

Thank you so much for your input. I will have much more ammo for my second opinion vet now. I really appreciate it.

[beezmum]

Our precious boy, Beasley, had a long (3 minute), severe seizure today, the first one ever. He is 13.5 yrs. He has since been very nervous and anxious. He's been rubbing the top of his head on the carpet for some time, recently has increased thirst, has been toppling over occasionally the past few days, and very stiff on the stairs, plus reduced appetite and occasional vomiting. The vet recently recommended teeth cleaning, which was done. From what I am now reading, he might well have a brain tumor, but he can still run 4 miles three times a week with great joy! He will be at the vet Monday when they open, but I dread possibly learning the worst. He is the dog-love of my life and I want him to live many more years.

[DebraDownSouth]

Welcome to the forum Beasley's mom. Please do not think the worse. Seizures are rarely caused by brain tumors. What you are seeing could be anything from some toxin to an unknown cause. Please post and let us know. ((((hugs))) It is so scary to experience seizures.

[Knipper]

My old boy had a seizure once and only once. He was 15. We took him to the vet immediately. All of his levels were normal so a cause was unknown. I was told to watch him closely and if he had another one in the month, we would consider putting him on medication to help control seizures. He never had another one. We thought it could have been low blood sugar, so he happily enjoyed Hagen Daaz Vanilla Bean ice cream for the rest of his days.
I wouldn't worry until you are sure. Just give him lots of love and let us know how it turns out.

[beezmum]

I feel better already. Thanks all. Though still unsteady as he's been the past few weeks, he's enjoying a sunny SoCal morning with all his usual rituals. I will post when I get vet results. Beasley would love the Haagen Daaz cure.

[ownedbyspencer]

@beezmum:

Our precious boy, Beasley, had a long (3 minute), severe seizure today, the first one ever. He is 13.5 yrs. He has since been very nervous and anxious. He's been rubbing the top of his head on the carpet for some time, recently has increased thirst, has been toppling over occasionally the past few days, and very stiff on the stairs, plus reduced appetite and occasional vomiting. The vet recently recommended teeth cleaning, which was done. From what I am now reading, he might well have a brain tumor, but he can still run 4 miles three times a week with great joy! He will be at the vet Monday when they open, but I dread possibly learning the worst. He is the dog-love of my life and I want him to live many more years.

Hi beezmum–

My b boy had a grand mal seizure just before his tenth birthday. Afterward, he was confused and listless and seemed to be in a daze.

We rushed our Spencer to the 24-hour animal hospital, where they told us he almost certainly had a brain tumor. Our regular vet advised against $2000 worth of testing and MRIs that would tell nothing but bad news and put Spencer on Dexamethazone for a week to reduce the inflammation in his brain. After that, we began to see gradual improvement. It took him several months to get back to "normal." I say "normal," because he has Fanconi, and our "normal" is constantly shifting.

The person who helped us most was Dr. Steve Gonto. Dr. Steve reviewed Spencer's labs and adjusted Spencer's diet from high-protein to low-protein with different supplements. I'm not a vet-- and your situation may be nothing like mine-- but Beasley's seizure could be kidney-related (hence the increased thirst and vomiting) and, if so, may be controllable with dietary changes and the addition of certain supplements and/or meds. You could ask your vet to run a CBC, a venous blood gas (checking kidney and liver values) and a urinalysis, then see what the values tell you.

Spencer had also been having several "tells" before the seizure, though I had no idea at the time. One was rubbing his head on the carpet; the others were tilting his head, shaking his head and acting a little stiff, all of which he was doing the day before the seizure. I wish you and Beasley the best and hope he never has another seizure!

[beezmum]

Wow, Spencer's behaviors sound exactly like Beasleys. I will print your suggestions and bring to our vet, Dr. Crowe, tomorrow. Many thanks.

[ownedbyspencer]

I hope it turns out to be something easily remedied. Once the problem was addressed, Spencer never had another seizure, so hopefully, neither will Beasley!

[thunderbird8588]

Hope Beasleys vet visit goes well tomorrow . Our first Basenji developed seizures at the age of 12 they were caused by a problem with his liver. They were horrible to witness but we learned to live with them and the good thing was he was unaware of what was happening at the time.
On treatment he was with us untill nearly 15 years and had a good quality of life.

[dcmclcm4]

I have had two elderly Bs who developed seizures, one was caused by a facial/nasal tumor and the other was caused by a liver tumor. One dog was almost 12 years old and the other who was a rescue was estimated to be 13-14 years old. The almost 12 year old had Fanconi.

It might not be a brain tumor. Have you had an abdominal ultrasound done?

Jennifer

[beezmum]

Unfortunately, after several tests and 3 consultations with vet and vet-neuro, it's almost certain our Beasley has a brain tumor. There is a very small chance it's
late-onset epilepsy and an even smaller chance of a fungal infection,
but the tumor is the likelihood, due to his age. We aren't putting him
through costly neurological tests to confirm because, whatever they
show, the treatment for epilepsy and tumor is the same. The goal is to eliminate small seizures and keep the grand mal ones down to one a month. I guess the drug can really change personality and make them groggy, but we'll wait til it gets a little worse and see how he does in small doses.
As long as his adrenalin is up he seems fine, still enjoying runs, walking and eating, though he's become rather clingy. He also is sleeping well. It's when he's awake but trying to just stand or sit around that he jerks and trembles and has a hard time keeping his balance, or his legs will suddenly go out from under him. Hard to watch.
At least without the absolute confirmation we can hold on to the tiny hope that it's a mysterious case of late-onset epilepsy.
Thanks, all for your concern.
Do any of you have an experience of how long my dog might have left with a brain tumor, with good care?

[MacPack]

I'm sorry you got bad news, we always hope for a 'simple, quick cure'. Hopefully Beasley will have a good amount of quality time with you. (((Hugs)))

[thunderbird8588]

So sorry to hear about Beasley. I understand your reason for no more tests and to treat the symptoms.
We were given similar advice by our vet for Benji.
I found it useful to keep a diary of his seizures, it helped us see a pattern. By experimenting with drugs and dosages we were able to decrease the seizures. Benji was on Epilease and a small dose of valium. We were also given rectal valium to give as he came out of the seizure.
Best of luck getting your boy stabalised.

[Basenjimamma]

I am so sorry to hear of Beasley.. I also understand the fact that you don't want more testing done..hoping you find a protocol that works for Beasley..

[Kipawa]

Hugs to you and Beasley. It's always so hard to get the type of diagnosis you did. Live each day with Beasley to the fullest. Shelley's advice about keeping a diary of when the seizures happen is a great one.

[DebraDownSouth]

I am so very sorry.

No idea on length because it depends on the type of cancer. Sadly though, cancers may grow fast.

This link gives extraordinary amt of clear information on everything from treatments to types with no hold back on the reality that brain cancers can be treated but rarely eliminated even in healthy young dogs. While I would, if money is available, do an MRI to confirm… at 14 I can't imagine trying treatment.

http://www.cvm.ncsu.edu/vth/clinical_services/neuro/brain_tumor.html

[Patty]

I'm so sorry that a brain tumor has been diagnosed. I totally agree with Shelley's advice on a diary to record dates and times. A Basenji I bred has developed seizures in late age and by elimination, certain foods have been identified as contributing to them. A friend of mine's bitch also has mild seizures resulting from a brain tumour. She doesn't have treatment for the tumour and the seizures vary in their frequency. It is a year since the diagnosis was made and she is still going on well without much loss to her activities (she is 13).

Let us hope and pray that Beesley will have more happy years with the treatment and care he is given. My thoughts are with you.

[tanza]

As our Basenjis age we are all confronted with their care… there are tough decisions to be made for sure.. we can all only do what we can to make the remaining time they have with us the best possible.. and not going to extreme measures is many times the most kindest thing we can do... and just make sure they are comfortable .... been there, done that... not easy... but I know that the best care that was in my opinion was given....