$2500 [cdn] Basenji?

[nobarkus]

@Quercus:

Before you are totally impressed, may I remind you…don't believe everything you read And no, I can't imagine why anyone would pay that much for a puppy...

I know and saw a very small tri female at Medfly Rescue in So CA when I was there to pick up Buddy that someone had paid out over $3000 for including flying it from the midwest to CA. The guy then decided he did not want the dog and gave it up to Karen at Medfly. She kept the dog for herself. It's a very small female at about 16-17 lbs.

[-ClarEmmKai-]

but…but...but...if this person is so respected as to be a co-chair for our own national specialty here in Canada, why would one falsify or be so creative to boost their kennel name? And how can someone actually get away with it? Is there no governing body to restrict or monitor such claims?

[JazzysMom]

@Maya:

That is crazy money!! Or are basenji's cheaper over here than in other parts of the world??

I have heard of a labrador selling for ?10,000, but he was a dual champion producing champion pups and was a very good investment for the (overseas) buyer. Still, if i had ?10k i wouldnt spend it on a dog :rolleyes:

I think average here {US} is around $900 {at least it was 2 yrs ago,LOL} –- which I think is about 550 UK?
I could be way off on that conversion though

[Benkura]

Yes $900 is about the same cost as a B in UK.

[Quercus]

@-Clar|Emm|Kai-:

but…but...but...if this person is so respected as to be a co-chair for our own national specialty here in Canada, why would one falsify or be so creative to boost their kennel name? And how can someone actually get away with it? Is there no governing body to restrict or monitor such claims?

There is no governing body. Advertising is just that…advertising. I could tell you all here that I am tall, thin, and beautiful...I could tell you that I won the mother of the year award for 2009, I could tell you that my business brings in more money than I can spend, I could tell you that all of my basenjis (and kids) are perfectly behaved...but none of it is true...and only those that knew where to look for the truth could find it.

[tanza]

@nobarkus:

I know and saw a very small tri female at Medfly Rescue in So CA when I was there to pick up Buddy that someone had paid out over $3000 for including flying it from the midwest to CA. The guy then decided he did not want the dog and gave it up to Karen at Medfly. She kept the dog for herself. It's a very small female at about 16-17 lbs.

I believe those people are in Modesto that got that puppy… and paid that much. Then asked a couple of California breeders to evaluate it for show.... and was told the truth about the dog's conformation.....and about the breeder they purchased from

[lvoss]

I do not think this person has been in the breed very long. I think this is her first litter. She did not put any of those titles or accomplishments on those dogs and may not even realize what she wrote is incorrect.

Some things that stood out to me is that she says Siete is a rare basenji obedience champion. This is incorrect he has an AKC CD title in obedience, this is not a champion title. An AKC obedience champion gets the title OTCH and as far as I know there are no basenjis to have earned one. The rarest basenji obedience title is the UDX. She also said Jake is the only basenji to every earn a Grand Champion and an AKC DC title. That is not quite true. He is so far the only basenji to earn a CANADIAN Grand Champion and AKC DC title but I know at least one dog that has an Australian Grand Champion and AKC DC.

These prices are severely out of line with what most responsible breeders with very nice accomplished dogs ask for. Most fall somewhere between $700-$1000 and do not differentiate their pricing between pet and show because their price is based on quality of care such as health testing, socialization, etc.

[tanza]

@-Clar|Emm|Kai-:

but…but...but...if this person is so respected as to be a co-chair for our own national specialty here in Canada, why would one falsify or be so creative to boost their kennel name? And how can someone actually get away with it? Is there no governing body to restrict or monitor such claims?

I believe in that ad one of the claims is that the dam of the litter was "reserve" at Crufts? To us in the USA, that would mean, reserve to the winners Bitch, or second. However, what it really meant is that the bitch was 4th place in the open bitch class as they list that as Reserve. So while it was not "really" false advertising, it was misleading, IMO

Here is the link to Crufts results for that year
http://crufts.fossedata.co.uk/Breed.asp?ShowYear=2004&GroupID=HOU&ScheduleID=159

[-ClarEmmKai-]

@lvoss:

I do not think this person has been in the breed very long. I think this is her first litter. She did not put any of those titles or accomplishments on those dogs and may not even realize what she wrote is incorrect.

Some things that stood out to me is that she says Siete is a rare basenji obedience champion. This is incorrect he has an AKC CD title in obedience, this is not a champion title. An AKC obedience champion gets the title OTCH and as far as I know there are no basenjis to have earned one. The rarest basenji obedience title is the UDX. She also said Jake is the only basenji to every earn a Grand Champion and an AKC DC title. That is not quite true. He is so far the only basenji to earn a CANADIAN Grand Champion and AKC DC title but I know at least one dog that has an Australian Grand Champion and AKC DC.

These prices are severely out of line with what most responsible breeders with very nice accomplished dogs ask for. Most fall somewhere between $700-$1000 and do not differentiate their pricing between pet and show because their price is based on quality of care such as health testing, socialization, etc.

Ahh, thank you for putting my mind to rest. I'm a dolt when it comes to all these titles and truly rely on Clarisse and our breeder Arlene to clue me in. I'm just the photographer at these shows and currently on the hunt to find Kairoe a female companion.

I was wondering about the pricing as well, and noticed that most breeders in Canada and abroad sold their dogs between the $700 - $900 price point. I had yet to see a dog over $1000 until I came across this ad.

[lvoss]

Have you talked with Arlene about what breeders might have puppies available this year? Also, if you are really happy with Kairoe, you may want to ask what her plans are for her next litter.

If you have already found a breeder you know and trust, there is no reason to start at square one when looking to add to your home. Start with that breeder and use them as a resource. It is part of that "lifetime support" that comes with a responsibly bred dog.

[-ClarEmmKai-]

Thank you all for your input and knowledge!

Clarisse and I, are looking to add a female companion for Kairoe and happenstanced on this ad. It's obvious to us that some breeders are there to capitalize on their business and would go as far as to perhaps mislead perspective buyers or even worse, to be misinformed themselves about their own dog's history. I learnt this earlier through conversation with the main kennel as she was quick to apologize for not knowing too much about this litter.

lvoss, you're correct, this is the new co-owner's first litter and the main owner of the kennel is going along with it, pricing and all. We do live in a capitalist society and we've concluded that it has punctured our naive lil Basenji world.

THANK GOODNESS for this forum!

On a crappy note…I hope this will not affect any future showings for our own B...one would never know who could be lurking amongst the pixels.

[tanza]

The main "owner" charges that much for her puppies or at least lists them for that amount, so I would image that is why the "co" breeder is pricing them that way.

[-ClarEmmKai-]

@lvoss:

Have you talked with Arlene about what breeders might have puppies available this year? Also, if you are really happy with Kairoe, you may want to ask what her plans are for her next litter.

If you have already found a breeder you know and trust, there is no reason to start at square one when looking to add to your home. Start with that breeder and use them as a resource. It is part of that "lifetime support" that comes with a responsibly bred dog.

We spoke with Arlene and she pointed us in the direction of another breeder. In fact, we're all going to see a potential puppy in a couple of weeks, but we'd like to expand our options - just in case.

We were looking forward to getting another dog from her because she's been great with us and we're totally loyal to her. We trust her with all things Basenji as well as the circle of breeders that she remains in contact with. Our breeder is our friend and not just the co-owner to our pup.

Heck, Kairoe still baroo's for Arlene. The only other person he consistently does that for is Clarisse. 8 months and I have yet to get a baroo from him.

[lvoss]

I am sure you will find the right pup. I ended up waiting a whole year for Rally because Robyn didn't have a litter the year we decided that Nicky would really like a companion. When I heard her litter plans for the following year I knew I wanted a puppy from that litter so we waited.

[-ClarEmmKai-]

@lvoss:

I am sure you will find the right pup. I ended up waiting a whole year for Rally because Robyn didn't have a litter the year we decided that Nicky would really like a companion. When I heard her litter plans for the following year I knew I wanted a puppy from that litter so we waited.

We would've gotten one again from Arlene (if she'd let us), only her puppies are all males, which pretty much prompted us to consider other breeders. But as Emmanuel had mentioned, we're going to a puppy party of 4 litters (16 pups in total) next weekend. We'll see for potentials.. who knows, we might end up waiting like you did.

[Rita Jean]

@-Clar|Emm|Kai-:

I just spoke with Jennie from Ahmahr Nahr, and she said that the pricing for the pups is around the $2500 range and depending on whether it is a show quality or a pet, the price can be as little as $1600. One of the pups actually sold for $3000. She's on her way to visit with the co-owner [the aforementioned seller] in Deep River to do an assessment on the pups….

IMO you may be very wise to look at new ventures for puppies. You can see more and learn more by going to Ahmahr Nahr in New Mexico there you will see Jennie and her husband. When Jennie is not working as a lawyer she goes and shows and works with the Basenji's.

Rita Jean

[Quercus]

So, Pat, Lisa, anybody? does Jake have more BIS than Johnny? I am thinking that strictly by numbers of dogs beaten, there is no way he could have passed Johnny?

[lvoss]

I am not sure, I know that Motumbo had 25 AKC BIS wins in February of last year. Not sure how many dogs defeated.

[Quercus]

oh, yeah…I forgot about him...that is a lot!

[tanza]

I don't think either have more then Johnny. But most of Jakes were in Canada, yes? Not the US, so not sure you can compare

And I think we would have heard from Carol if Motumbo passed Johnny. I thought that Johnny had close to 50?… but I don't really remember