AS DonC says,"the question of whether they WANT to...". I had one that after about a mile would lay down on his side and refuse to move. More than once did I have to carry that pain the butt Basenji, on my shoulders native style, home.
Basenji Intellegence
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@Max:
I was wondering if you guys could link me to sights of Basenjis doing sport, like agility, tracking, CGC or some really clever series of tricks?
I have trained multiple basenjis, with the basenji breed being my introduction to all dog sports (to mean I had no idea what I was doing much less getting into).
I have owned and/bred multiple champions (breed and field) as well as obedience, rally and agility titled basenjis; earning multiple Best in Field, Best of Breed, High Point and High in Trials (locally and Nationally).
Some of my dogs have titled through Master Agility, some have MACH points, and I have bred/owned the first and only basenji to ever qualify for AKC Agility NATIONALS (regular or preferred) by earing 6 DQ's in only 15 attempts. In obedience, prior to her premature death, my heart dog Sage was able to garner one leg (winning both High in Trial and High Combined) towards a Utility Dog Excellent degree in her first and only attempt.
While tracking is the only venue I have never attempted due to my location; desert with all the nasty creatures that come along with the SW desert (rattlers, scorpions, recluse spiders, Valley Fever) I find advanced obedience proves their scenting abilities quite well; my basenjis are truly versatile dogs.
You asked for some links showing their abilities.
Here is a link to a 5 month old basenji doing Utility Scent work. I do not use anything other than my scent to train.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAm7Yc4jDcE
Here is a link to a silly proofing exercise I call Weave Retreive:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T0S-qxTVA8
The dogs range from 8 years to 2 years of age in this video.
As you can see (and have heard from others in this forum) they are far from stupid; they can and do excel in all that they do though not everyone can nor does get the best out of them.
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Linda -Wonderful dogs. I'm very impressed with the youngsters and by you and your training. Its good to hear so many sticking up for the intelligence of our beloved Basenjis. I have even heard some owners call their Basenjis stupid and wonder how much they know themselves!!
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I love to tell people that b's are rated the "second dumbest dogs". Totally freaks them out.
I think part of the rating was done by "trainability". Yes, the b is more like a cat (doesn't care what you want). But, whoever rated these "dumb" dogs is the biggest idiot of them all.
I have a friend who has a lab who has been to the vet numerous times for eating stuff he shouldn't (sound familiar?). My Mom has a border collie mix (beautiful dog) who will stand out in the rain until he is drenched to the bone when he has adequate cover. I have a friend who has a chihuahua and it's so neurotic it has to be on doggy downers on a daily basis.
So, tell me, which is "smarter"?
Give me my clean, cute, stubborn, cuddly, quiet, crazy b any day!
I think they should rate owners. Where would b owners rate? At the top, in my opinion!!!:D:D:D:D:D
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Thanks all, appreciate the help. It irks me when somebody reposts some internet fluff by a nobody with a few letters after thier name. I've learn to question the supposed experts in my lifetime, there are a lot of college educated morons in the world or have agendas
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by the by, I uploaded an ikon file but it won't take? am I on probation or somethin?
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Funny thing, I have read articles where the Basenji is amongst the top ten, and then there are those that say it is at the bottom.
I for one never really looked at a dogs intelligence. Personally I cannot see a valid way of us calculating out an animals intelligence.
Like humans, we respond differently when it comes to learning. Some can get it in one go, others need to keep trying, some need a different approach such at motivation etc etc does this valid calling one less intelligent than the other?
It's the same with dogs, and it's the owners responsibility to understand his/her dog and how it responds to different types of training.
Also I don't believe in "specific breed" training, but instead in personality. Again, it's all in the owners hands.So I guess I can say that a dog's intelligence depends on his/her masters intelligence/ability in knowing their dog.
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Like humans, we respond differently when it comes to learning. Some can get it in one go, others need to keep trying, some need a different approach such at motivation etc etc does this valid calling one less intelligent than the other?
It's the same with dogs, and it's the owners responsibility to understand his/her dog and how it responds to different types of training.
Also I don't believe in "specific breed" training, but instead in personality. Again, it's all in the owners hands.So I guess I can say that a dog's intelligence depends on his/her masters intelligence/ability in knowing their dog.
Very well said…I agree..
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Just because a dog doesn't hang on your every word does not mean it is not intelligent. Basenji just have other things on their minds. I've found AJ to be very trainable and follows both voice and gesture commands. We don't use the typical Sit…Stay... We have our own cadence and I have difference requirements of him.
Some people equate canine intelligence with blind and immediate action to specified instruction. IMO, this is not "intelligence" so much as rote learning. Actual intelligence is the ability to solve a problem. I figure a dog is pretty smart when he teaches himself how to unlatch a wing window and let himself out of the truck through that small opening. I'm glad this truck does not have wing windows.
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This is a great thread. I'm currently doing a home study dog course and for the last unit I have to do a 'special study'. As usual I've left it to the last minute and haven't actually done any study. (Got to be in by this Friday!!) :o
What I had thought I would write about (needs to be approx 1500 words) was 'Why are some dogs labelled as more 'intelligent' than others?'Would any of you mind if I maybe used some of your stories as examples in my study? And maybe if some of you can help in any other way I'd be VERY grateful.
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Benkura - what a great idea.
I had another thought but I don't know whether you can use it?
- A Border Collie is deemed intelligent because they are so obedient hence a Basenji could be called unintelligent for that reason.
However which of these breeds would jump over a cliff if given the right command?!!
Don't anyone take this as a slur on BCs - I love them too.
Tiyaa who was Nakura's great great great (I think!) grandmother learned obedience from watching us train our Border Collies. She never had any training herself. She came to classes to compete in match competitions and did extremely well but for the retrieve. She would take one look when we threw the article and turn to us as if to say "You threw it, you fetch it"
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The Border Collie Vs the Basenji was exactly what I had started to write about but wasn't sure if I could pad it out to 1500 words. A friend has lent me just about EVERY book on BCs. (I'm not a quick reader). I like the idea of a BC (or similar) being bred to follow commands from one leader and therefor may need 'leading' to solve problems etc.
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I think in dogs, we usually equate speed of obedience with intelligence. Can you imagine if we did this in humans? Does anyone really think an athletic/able-bodied person is smarter than someone who isn't?
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Another example of Basenji intelligence and problem-solving is in Member Introductions: Chaos. Any dog who can teach a small human to do something that is advantageous to the dog is pretty smart, in my book.
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@AJs:
Another example of Basenji intelligence and problem-solving is in Member Introductions: Chaos. Any dog who can teach a small human to do something that is advantageous to the dog is pretty smart, in my book.
And he did it without using candy too.
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I've only just read the Chaos introduction. That's brilliant. I do think they far 'out smart' most other dog breeds. Cunning little creatures!!
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My husband and I just laugh at people who say basenjis are dumber than labs. They are the ignorant ones who obviously don't know much at all about the breed. Corky is the smartest dog either of us have ever known let alone owned. He knows exactly how to get away with things and he knows how to charm us when he doesn't. What lab can do that?
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Vicki what course are you doing?it sounds interesting
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Another quality of an intelligent dog (in my opinion) is how easily they can get bored.
This is something that I have seen very similar between Border Collies and Basenjis. You need to keep them stimulated mentally, otherwise they turn destructive. The core difference between the two breeds is independence. Basenjis like to be on their own (leadership wise) and Border Collies look forward to being told what's next.
Having lived with both breeds, I can tell you that both Border Collies and Basenjis pick up on emotion very well. They know when we're upset, happy, anxious, etc, and they react to that emotion. I really think they are much more aware of their surrounding, perhaps why you see anxiety issues with both breeds (I've read more about it with Basenjis though).
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Kananga - I totally agree with you about both breeds being similar in their need for mental stimulation. I have seen too many results of Border Collies having to live boring (to them) lives leading to them being not only destructive but aggressive and landing up in Rescue.
Popele see them doing bright intelligent things and think what a lovely dog and are not warned by their breeders that they need stimulating activity.
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couple of sites you guys might be interested in
www.leerburg.com has a forum and the site owner sell training DVDs for obedience, sport and working dog owners.
www.workingdogforum.com is also a forum for sport and protection k9s as well as therapy dogs
