This sucks! I can't find any evidence of bat poop on my balcony anywhere. There's also really no where for them to hide. The bat was found where it could have possibly come off my balcony where the pup was. She was on the third floor balcony, and the bat was all the way downstairs, probably about three feet from the beginning of my actual balcony. When you come downstairs, there's a little step leading down to the sidewalk. The bat was perched on this part of the sidewalk, hanging upside down. I could have sworn it was slightly twitching when I first saw it, but it could have been the wind. I sat outside to warn my neighbor, because they also have kids and would have to step right where the bat was. When he came home and I warned him, he smacked the bat down with a piece of wood he just do happened to be carying. I asked him of it was alive and he said it was dead. I told him I had called someone to come get it, but I guess he took things into his own hands.
I called the vet but of course they were closed. So I left a message explaining what happened and asked what he thinks I should do. They have an emergency clinic but since I don't even know if her and the bar had actual contact I'm not considering it an emergency, unless she shows some dramatic behavior change between now and Monday. Everything I've been able to find online seems to say that a 10 day confinement to check for symptoms is fine.
Rabies Shots
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I read that 3 year dose is higher than 1 year and can potentially cause more issues.
The 1yr and 3yr are the EXACT same vaccine; nothing different about the label either. At work we give pups the same vaccine for 1 year that we give adults for their 3yr.
On another but similar note - the same dose is given to a Chi that is given to a Mastiff with no undue problems. *In other words either dog can have a reaction dependent on how good their immune system is. As breeders we should be breeding for strong immune systems; don't perpetuate problems by breeding dogs who have major vaccine reactions (tender knots is not a true reaction).
It is not the rabies that causes the reaction per se. It is the preservative namely thermisol. Luckily they make thermisol free vaccines. Talk to your vets and see what they use.
I hope this works. Sending from my iPhone.
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Several people mentioned that there are medications (benadryl, holistic meds etc) you can give your dog prior to the rabies shot to reduce the adverse effects. What works for you (brand, dosage, before/after)?
I'll ask my vet what herbal solution she gives along with vaccinations.
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I too have my pack vaccinated, the rescure boys got a 3 years onel, my belle in evey year. Since I was a human health care worker I learned early on to give some baby antihistomine. I've alway done this with my animals and never had a reaction, and never had any discomfort. I always found lavender cream worked well on the site.
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Basenjis seem to be very sensitive to vaccinations. What types of negative reactions should one expect and what are some remedies?
Alex,
You are observant, and because Basenjis are a smaller breed, data indicates that they are more prone to adverse vaccinal reactions than larger breeds.
Vaccinal adverse reactions are becoming more recognized and acknowledged in the veterinary community – in an August 1, 2008 article in DVM360 entitled Vaccination: An Overview http://veterinarycalendar.dvm360.com/avhc/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=568351,Dr. Melissa Kennedy states that of the two types of vaccinal adverse reactions: "The first is immediate hypersensitivity. This may be a local or systemic response, and is due to pre-existing antibody to the agent. This is the classic "allergic reaction" to the vaccine and can be life-threatening. The second is a delayed response, requiring days of longer to develop. The vaccine, seen as foreign, elicits a significant inflammatory response and is especially true for adjuvanted vaccines. This response can manifest as a granuloma, or more seriously, a fibrosarcoma ."
Further, she reports that "The likelihood of adverse reactions in dogs has been found to correlate with the size of the dog and the number of inoculations given, with higher risk associated with small size and multiple inoculations. "
If you click on this linkhttp://www.basenjiforums.com/showthread.php?t=3980 , you will be taken to a post entitled 2008 REPORT ON RABIES VACCINE ADVERSE REACTIONS IN DOGS which describes the types and percentages of reported adverse reactions to the rabies vaccines such as:
"Rabies vaccines are the most common group of biological products identified in adverse event reports received by the CVB," and they give the following description of the adverse reaction followed by the % of dogs affected: Vomiting-28.1%, Facial Swelling-26.3%, Injection Site Swelling or Lump-19.4%, Lethargy-12%, Urticaria-10.1%, Circulatory shock-8.3%, Injection site pain-7.4%, Pruritus-7.4%, Injection site alopecia or hair loss-6.9%, Death-5.5%, Lack of Consciousness-5.5%, Diarrhea-4.6%, Hypersensitivity (not specified)-4.6%, Fever-4.1%, Anaphylaxis-2.8%, Ataxia-2.8%, Lameness-2.8%, General signs of pain-2.3%, Hyperactivity-2.3%, Injection site scab or crust-2.3%, Muscle tremor-2.3%, Tachycardia-2.3%, and Thrombocytopenia-2.3%.
This link http://www.basenjiforums.com/showthread.php?t=7270 will take you to a recent post entitled, Vaccines – Adverse Events within Three Days JAVMA 10/1/05 with quotes from the Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association such as:
"The risk of a VAAE in this study population was inversely related to a dog's weight."
"…each additional vaccine administered per office visit increased the rate of a VAAE by 24.2%.."
"The risk of allergic reaction has been reported to increase after the third or fourth injection of a vaccine (ie, a booster response)."
"Neutering appeared to increase risk of a VAAE ..."
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I do give one Benadryl AND I have the vet give the rabies by itself. I do the other shots 2 weeks later.
Me too, I'm distrubed about the 3 yr. shot, but….....I was caught off guard with my new "pack" and didn't have time to educated myself.
When I took by Lady Belle to the "outside" vet at a feed store, who was very, very enxpensive on everything....he told me ahead of time about the benadryl and not to exercise her too much in the next day or two. Sure enough Belle knew how to take care of herself......
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Jibini has a bit of a reaction to vaccines- he is very lethargic & exhibits extreme pain at the injection site (last time we did the rabies/combo, he would SCREAM every time someone touched him on his leg- it lasted for 4 days like that).
While we were driving a truck I had to keep his rabies vacc. current (California, Florida & other states have been known to randomly check that stuff at ag/weigh stations if they saw a dog in the truck) and I generally preferred to go ahead & have a vet do the combo shot. That way, if an emergency happened on the road and I needed to board him for any reason, I would have no problems.
When we came off the road I tried just having the vet give the 3 year shot alone. I explained Jibini's prior history & she did give him a follow up "male chicken-tail" (lol) of some kind. He had NO adverse reactions…so from now on, that's going to be what we do.
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Thank you for you insight, I believe it is a personal choice and I do think I will be switching to a three year with my older B. One stick is better every three years than one a year, they get stuck enough…..
Happy tails......
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AJ gets a three-year rabies, but has to have the others yearly, including kennel-cough. If (heaven forbid) something ever happens to me and he has to be kenneled, I need him to be ready. Thus far, he has had no reactions to vaccines, just a little sore and tired for a day or so. Being tired doesn't affect him much. He's a sleeper anyway.:D
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@AJs:
AJ gets a three-year rabies, but has to have the others yearly, including kennel-cough. If (heaven forbid) something ever happens to me and he has to be kenneled, I need him to be ready. Thus far, he has had no reactions to vaccines, just a little sore and tired for a day or so. Being tired doesn't affect him much. He's a sleeper anyway.:D
Why does he need the others yearly? The current accepted recommendation is 3yrs on everything other then Kennel Cough and that is really recommended every 6 months if you kennel regularly.
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I only do rabies shots because its the law, otherwise, I do the blood titers and have not had to give shots for years.
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I'll have to check into the others….vet wanted him back yearly for them. Hmmm....
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@AJs:
I'll have to check into the others….vet wanted him back yearly for them. Hmmm....
Some Vets still hold onto the old way of vaccinations schedules.. but most now agree with the three year schedule… My Vet has been using the 3yr schedule for the last 6 years or so... I also do not give Lepto or Corona
There are lots of discussions here on the forum about shots, etc if you search the archives
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The counties in Florida make their own rules - in Hillsborough County we need to get rabies shots once a year. I understand other counties allow 3 years. Our animals have never had any bad reactions to the yearly vaccine.
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Where I live it is also required not only by the state but also the county. We give three year, Abby always gets a lump but it goes away after a couple days. When I got Cooper his was done in Ohio and it was only for a year. I don't know if that was because that's how they do it or because he was only 8 months old. However it is not the law for cats to have it, and my vet didn't even do rabies for my cat until I started letting him outside. He said if the cat is an inside only cat there was no point to vaccinate him.
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My B has never had a reaction to vaccinations. She does however scream when she gets her rabies shot. It brings tears to my eyes and I hug her tight. Awww.
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Susan, check with your vet, we get 3-year rabies shots. Then the 2 in-between years, we have to fill out the paperwork with all the info on the serum, etc., and pay the fee for the tag. Tag and registration is required yearly, but not the actual shot. We have been getting the 3-year shot for quite a while.
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Abby basenji: I love that photo of your dog!
As far as indoor cats not needing rabies vac., I would disagree considering cats are hunters and will catch and sometimes eat mice who occasionally wander in. It's required in Lincoln County, OR, but cats do not have to be licensed.
Ms. Pat: Thank you again…I shall peruse.
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Lisa is correct about the label. They are the same and the only difference is for states that require a yearly vs a 3 yr. In some states you can submit tithers (misspelled) in place of re-vaccinating
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What about the corona vac? I have heard different stories. Whether to give or not??? I need a g00d vet wh0 is familiar with this breed.
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I need a vet in the grapevine, southlake, keller area…..thanks!
