Superb results! Understandably you are very happy as I am for Peggy and you! 🙂
Results Are In
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How many basenjis have you met and spent significant time with? Superficially, all basenjis should look pretty much the same, that is whole point of "breed" but when a person spends time around lots of different basenjis, you can start to see the finer points of breed type and the differences even between well bred lines really start to jump out at you. Differences can be in conformation, temperament, and/or health and some may be fairly insignificant and others are huge quality of life issues. As has been stated before some of these even very significant differences like health aren't often noticed by owners until their dogs are older 5+ years old. Poor conformation can lead to dogs breaking down physically but again that isn't going to be seen until the dog is older and whether the owners notice will really depend on the lifestyle of the dog.
I have known dogs who were Fanconi Affected, PRA Affected, Dysplastic. I have also known dogs who have broken down as they aged and developed severe arthritis because of their structural faults.
I would urge you to take a look at this site on evaluating puppies, http://www.geocities.com/rugosab/ConformationPage.htm
Can you see the differences between the puppies in the Virtual Puppy Evaluation? Which would be your pick puppy and why?
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probly girl$ or bot !. there not al strech out in there standing. but ththey all look healthy!!!!.what ones would you pick and why>?
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girl 4 and bot 1.
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Sorry, but there is no girl 4.
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sorry girl 2 and boy 2 or 3.
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Carrie, that was a great post
But sometimes the best information still falls on deaf ears.This thread makes me think that someone is trying to rile people up.
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This thread makes me think that someone is trying to rile people up.
I got the same idea, but I thought that anybody who has ever felt "attacked" on this forum, could benefit from the different perspective. I liked the golf analogy haha.
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Carrie, that was a great post
But sometimes the best information still falls on deaf ears.This thread makes me think that someone is trying to rile people up.
I agree however, I think we have all kept our "heads" with the response…:)
And Carrie, I agree that was a great post (blush)
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I agree however, I think we have all kept our "heads" with the response…:)
And Carrie, I agree that was a great post (blush)
Absolutely, Pat…a very civil thread...I have had to sit on my hands
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but i would like to get another one for a play mate instead of taken him to the dog park!!. if you know or find anyone that has one kinda cheap, a blk& wht female, please let me know & i will get my boy and the girl fixed!!. just need a play mate for him one like him!, he's picky around other tepys of dogs!! is that common too!!!!!?
If you don't want to pay for a basenji from a breeder, and you just want a playmate, you could rescue a BRAT dog. BRAT basenjis are cheaper than a basenji from a breeder and are already spayed or neutered and up to date on shots. However, they are not health tested, you may never know where that dog came from and what kind of crazy temperament or health issues it may have.
The advantages of shelling out so much for a basenji from a breeder include: lifelong support, the breeder will take the basenji back if it doesn't work out in your home, and full disclosure of health issues. Responsible breeders are also always happy to find a home that is willing to show, lure course, do agility, etc, so they will be more than happy to teach you and mentor you in new activities.
My first two were cheap ($400), but I don't know anything about them other than the Fanconi status (which I did myself). Lola is not even AKC registered, so even if I wanted to, I can't show her. I can't even do research on my own through the basenji pedigree database because Lola's dam isn't on there.
It was well worth paying double for Callie (which is average price for a good quality, well bred basenji). I know about her pedigree, and her health. I'm also in contact with not only Callie's breeder but also Callie's sire's breeder and Callie's dam's breeder. So I can keep up with Callie's grandparents as well, and if any weird health issues appear, then I can look out for those in her. Just like with any purchase, you usually get what you pay for. You're not going to find a brand new BMW, fully loaded for $300, nor will you pay $50,000 for a 1998 Toyota Corolla. -
I agree however, I think we have all kept our "heads" with the response…:)
And Carrie, I agree that was a great post (blush)
I've been thinking the same thing. I can tell from over here that you and Lisa probably have headaches from the effort. I think everything has been very nice and civil.
And thanks, Tanza, both for the compliment and for all your wisdom and help through the last couple years
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hi guys !. what do you guys mean by someone is trying to rile people up!?? maybe people on hear need to be a little more understanding when other's come on here to get or ask question's and not be mean!!. like the remark from the one that said that, even the best information still falls on deaths ear!!. thats'mean to say!!. because i know your refuren to me and the only reason i got on here was aome advise from a top breeder to ask question! and she did tell me there are some mean people on here ! and she was right!!.i want to know why are there people on here being mean to otheres just for asking some questions!!. i can pull soome people here that are selling puppies that aren't even fanconi tested and there doing it for the money and only for the money!!. THAT'S NOT COOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
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i dont'know why you people on here even get mad when someone new ask question !, isn't that what this site is sbout , for peole with basenji's to LEARN MORE ABOUT THEM!!!!.
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hi guys !. what do you guys mean by someone is trying to rile people up!?? maybe people on hear need to be a little more understanding when other's come on here to get or ask question's and not be mean!!. like the remark from the one that said that, even the best information still falls on deaths ear!!. thats'mean to say!!. because i know your refuren to me and the only reason i got on here was aome advise from a top breeder to ask question! and she did tell me there are some mean people on here ! and she was right!!.i want to know why are there people on here being mean to otheres just for asking some questions!!. i can pull soome people here that are selling puppies that aren't even fanconi tested and there doing it for the money and only for the money!!. THAT'S NOT COOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
And these are not the people responding to you. (ones that do not test) It is the responsibe breeders that are responding
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hi guys !. what do you guys mean by someone is trying to rile people up!??
Pedro, there is some frustration on the forum of late. This is the time of year when puppies are ready to go home, and a lot of irresponsible breeders and new puppy owners with petstore puppies come onto the forum to ask the same questions over and over. They are normally just uneducated and naive, but its frustrating to the long time breeders on here to deal with this every year. They know the majority of those puppies will live frustrating lives because their new owners don't know what they've gotten themselves into, and a lot of those puppies will end up shuffled around between owners and shelters until they land in a BRAT foster home or a kill shelter.
Some of your innocent questions almost come across as somebody playing a prank and trying to provoke people. And even if the people come across to you as mean, there is still a lot of valuable information they are trying to convey to you. If they were truly mean, I doubt they'd waste the time trying to educate you. They really are trying to help, in their "mean" way, I promise. -
i dont'know why you people on here even get mad when someone new ask question !, isn't that what this site is sbout , for peole with basenji's to LEARN MORE ABOUT THEM!!!!.
The problem is you are asking the same question over and over… and that is why should you not breed your dog. We have given you all the reasons why you would be better of keeping your current Basenji as a loved pet and if interesed in showing/breeding find a mentor near you and learn about the breed.
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hi guys !. what do you guys mean by someone is trying to rile people up!?? maybe people on hear need to be a little more understanding when other's come on here to get or ask question's and not be mean!!. like the remark from the one that said that, even the best information still falls on deaths ear!!. thats'mean to say!!. because i know your refuren to me and the only reason i got on here was aome advise from a top breeder to ask question! and she did tell me there are some mean people on here ! and she was right!!.i want to know why are there people on here being mean to otheres just for asking some questions!!. i can pull soome people here that are selling puppies that aren't even fanconi tested and there doing it for the money and only for the money!!. THAT'S NOT COOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
I said that because people are repeatedly answering your questions, and you are not listening to the answers. Mean people? Really…everybody who has answered you has put a lot of effort and thought into their responses, without insulting you or your dog. Mean would be to totally ignore you, and write you off as someone trying to stir up arguments.
Who here, posting regularly on this board, responding to this thread is breeding puppies and not fanconi testing? I am curious...
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Numerous people have said this to you and I am saying it again, PLEASE READ THE POSTS CAREFULLY. The statement that was made is that some advice falls on DEAF ears. Most people who respond to posts begin feel that advice has fallen on deaf ears when the person who asked the question continues to ask the same question seemingly expecting the answer change. The post was also about forum threads in general. Many people come here not for advice but for validation and so when they do not get the answer they want they just keep asking the question hoping to find someone willing to validate the decision they have already made. That would be deaf ears.
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i would if there was a mentor close by , but there isn't!!. and im trying to learn as much as i can!. and i'm not trying to prank anyone!!. but i do know a breeder that i'm going to talk to that breed's cattle dogs'. and shows them too. but if my boy's test come back that he's clear or a carrier, i'm still not sure what i'm going to do. but if i do breed him i would have every puppy test.!, or i might just get me 2 more rescue basenji's . but the show thang i just don't get still! sorry but call me stupid or just plaine brain dead. !but i don't see the point of now showing a basenji and people teling me not to breed because of that.! i ?m for sure going to put him in an obediance class just so i can get to know my basenji better . but the thank is people don't have to be mean to thers when there asking a question about the breed!.
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so what, you breed but you don't fanconi test them>?? why not do testing???
