Great work, well done to both
Divided Classes
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Ha, ha, ha…I should learn not to post from my iPhone...every post I make is so abbreviated that it barely makes sense when I read it back...and definitely there is no additional info for clarity - that's what happens when you can only type with your thumbs!
Anyway Rita...to answer your questions...here's some info to get you started.
Best to start here at the AKC website about basic info about dog shows (explains majors, points, etc):
http://www.akc.org/events/conformation/beginners.cfmAnd this (counting points):
http://www.akc.org/events/conformation/counting_points.cfmAnd this (points schedule - you'll need to go to your region & state and download the pdf):
http://www.akc.org/events/conformation/point_schedule.cfmThe Hoosier is The Hoosier Basenji Specialty…a show that is only for basenjis (specialty) held this coming weekend.
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Regarding the number of basenjis at shows. Only one that I've been to this year has had a handfull. Otherwise there have been loads. I believe that when I went to Potomac Hound Show this year there were more basenjis there than at the Chicagoland Specialty. Liyah is in the Hoosier Specialty this weekend and her class in Sweeps has 18! In her Conformation class there are 16 basenjis! Granted, the Hoosier is just before the National, but there are definitely opportunities for many basenjis at shows. And in order to get Jaycee's 2 majors, it will take beating at least a few!
I'm guessing she is in BBE? What confuses me is why that class is always so large. I realize it's a bigger brag to win or place out of that class, but it seems like if the class is always loaded up, the chance of actually winning the class actually goes down versus if people spread out through the different classes. I realize it does happen, but what are the chances that a really young puppy in BBE is going to win against a more mature dog in that same class? It's more of a curiosity to me considering I'm not eligible for BBE anyway (although Zoni is).
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Thank you both renaultf1 and nemo. I will go and start reading.
Were is the Hoosier held at?Rita Jean
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@Rita:
Thank you both renaultf1 and nemo. I will go and start reading.
Were is the Hoosier held at?Rita Jean
Same place as National, in Lexington, KY.
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Sorry have another question. Does the blood line from the parents on back make any difference?
Rita Jean
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but what are the chances that a really young puppy in BBE is going to win against a more mature dog in that same class? It's more of a curiosity to me considering I'm not eligible for BBE anyway (although Zoni is).
Well at Potomac, Liyah's brother won from BBE and went on to be Winner's Dog - and he was just a few days past 6 months (it was his first show). Needless to say, he beat dogs that were fully mature adults even though he was so young. I think it was a 5 point major. Another brother of hers just did the same thing (4 point major) at another show. If I were a breeder, I would think that I would want my puppies in BBE - especially if I thought they were very nice - but what do I know.
FWIW, Liyah's breeders have been deciding what classes she should be in (and balancing it with her siblings) - since I have had to take a less active role because of health issues with my father.
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Well at Potomac, Liyah's brother won from BBE and went on to be Winner's Dog - and he was just a few days past 6 months (it was his first show). Needless to say, he beat dogs that were fully mature adults even though he was so young. I think it was a 5 point major. Another brother of hers just did the same thing (4 point major) at another show. If I were a breeder, I would think that I would want my puppies in BBE - especially if I thought they were very nice - but what do I know.
FWIW, Liyah's breeders have been deciding what classes she should be in (and balancing it with her siblings) - since I have had to take a less active role because of health issues with my father.
Yeah, I realize it's not uncommon, a puppy won a 5 point major at a supported entry in WI. I understand putting a good puppy in the class, but I'm not sure that is always the case. I guess for me it's more of a statistics thing.
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I'm guessing she is in BBE? What confuses me is why that class is always so large. I realize it's a bigger brag to win or place out of that class, but it seems like if the class is always loaded up, the chance of actually winning the class actually goes down versus if people spread out through the different classes. I realize it does happen, but what are the chances that a really young puppy in BBE is going to win against a more mature dog in that same class? It's more of a curiosity to me considering I'm not eligible for BBE anyway (although Zoni is).
At a show here in California a puppy in BBE went BOB just this August. I think it really depends on the judge and the entry. I have been to some shows where the entire BBE entry was under a year old. I have also had judges ask for ages.
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@Rita:
Sorry have another question. Does the blood line from the parents on back make any difference?
Rita Jean
Not really sure how to answer this as I'm not exactly sure what you are asking…
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As a breeder, I have shown all my puppies in the puppy classes. My pups act like pups so I have chosen to show them in the puppy classes. It does not mean I am any less proud of them and it does not mean I don't think they are competitive.
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Yeah, I realize it's not uncommon, a puppy won a 5 point major at a supported entry in WI. I understand putting a good puppy in the class, but I'm not sure that is always the case. I guess for me it's more of a statistics thing.
That's right…Liyah's brother won the 4 point major at the supported entry in PA a couple of weeks ago - Liyah won Best in Sweeps & Best Puppy (under Damara)
at the same show. I don't think a breeder would enter what they consider an average puppy in the BBE class - again, but what do I know. I know Liyah's breeder usually enters what they consider their best. -
Catalogs normally only show sire and dam unless it is a special event. It doesn't mean the rest of the pedigree doesn't matter but there just isn't space to print full pedigrees in most show catalogs. For special events pedigrees may be printed, like the African Exhibition which prints 3 generation pedigrees for the dogs entered.
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As a breeder, I have shown all my puppies in the puppy classes. My pups act like pups so I have chosen to show them in the puppy classes. It does not mean I am any less proud of them and it does not mean I don't think they are competitive.
And I would never think that either…I think different folks just approach the show thing differently. It is all still a mystery to me how all the decisions get made.
How do you decide which dogs/pups go into BBE?
And BTW, Liyah has been entered in puppy classes as well as BBE - but for the upcoming shows she is in BBE - although she might be in a puppy class at the National.
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As a breeder, I have shown all my puppies in the puppy classes. My pups act like pups so I have chosen to show them in the puppy classes. It does not mean I am any less proud of them and it does not mean I don't think they are competitive.
Hopefully, I didn't imply that. In my very limited experience, it seems like the majority of the breeders go for BBE versus the other classes.
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What I mean if judge knows a pup has had family showed to a pup that its family never showed do they judge different. Again this is if Judge knew this.
I do not know much but if I was showing and had pups I would show them all no different then kids one may do better but o well. I like that there is a puppy class because that is what they are puppies.
Rita Jean
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More to the point like you Ivoss if you were showing and I was and Judge knew you and your pups do they judge the same. Not just pointing at you just used your name because you said you showed all your pups.
Rita Jean
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Not Pat…but no. You are still competing against the same dogs. It just gives the judge another chance to look at the best one of each color and consider it for Winners (points) It DOES give competitors a better chance to win ribbons and trophies though
I agree, last year at our BCONC specialty, I showed Kobey in the Tri Class… he was the only one entered so he got to go back in for Winners.... It is entirely possible that had we been in just the open dog class, he would not have won and therefore would not have been able to go back in for Winners Dog... The judge did not particularly look at him for most of the Winners judging, however right at the end, he was stacked like a beautiful statue... and looked great... never put a foot wrong... the two that the judge was considering were really not showing that well... and we won winners dog... Had the classes not be split by color, I don't think that would have happened
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@Rita:
More to the point like you Ivoss if you were showing and I was and Judge knew you and your pups do they judge the same. Not just pointing at you just used your name because you said you showed all your pups.
Rita Jean
It is not very often that the judge knows people, maybe professional handlers or people that have been in the breed forever… and even if they know you.. they should be judging dogs, not the people.... and in most cases that is the way it happens.... Usually what would win out is the "handling" of that pup... and usually the experienced person knows how to get the best out of the dog they are showing.
Case in point.. is Lisa's Nicky.... he was a totally different dog when I showed him compared to when Lisa showed him... he was excited to show for me... (and I harrassed him too...ggg).... made him look like the best dog in the ring and catch the judges attention
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One reason that breeders like to put their pups in BBE is because if you get all your points to finish the dogs CH from BBE you get a medal from AKC. And you also can get another recognition medal if you have a certain number of champions with all points from BBE.
I usually show Hippo (and formerly Luna) in BBE because I would love to get one of those medals…but for the National I entered Hippo in Open Red, because I figured there would be fewer dogs in that class...jokes on me...just about the same number
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Thank you Pat, there was one handler had two tri's the other day as she said the other lady made the dog upset. When she would get in the ring she got upset so did the dog so she was showing him. I heard her tell the other lady that he was much better and he had to learn he could not get away with the things he had be doing.
Rita Jean
