UK Breeders

[thunderbird8588]

My Basenji came from the Basenji rescue, his family were unable to manage him. They told me they got him from a pet shop which i thought was strange. His proper name was Brimsams Chief Yogel, so i assume the breeder was called Brimsam.
Benji is no longer with us but in time i would like another.
Where have all the UK Basenjis on this forum come from?
Can any one tell me approximately how much puppies cost.

[basi]

When I put in Benji's name in to the breed database it just comes up as Chief Yogel minus the Brimsan affix and unknown parents. Do you have a copy of his pedigree?

[Maya]

I believe it is illegal to sell pups in pet shops over here so thats odd…

Mine came from a breeder as i imagine most will have

When i was puppy searching the prices ranged from about ?500 to ?700.

[thunderbird8588]

Hello,
thanks for your help. I do have Benjis pedegree, His mum was Brimsans Waltzing Gemma and his dad Adoram Tutan At Brimsan. His Grandad was CH ST ERME Jolly Swagman. Looking at the pedegree both his mum and dad appear to have the same parents, surely this can't be right, maybe i am reading the pedegree wrong?
I thought it strange when i was told he came from a pet shop. I can only think that perhaps he had a family before the family i got him off. He did have a difficult temperament and maybe they got rid of him to a pet shop.
He did end up in a good home with us and was well loved.:)

[basi]

It is bringing it up now on the database. Yes you are reading the pedigree right so Benji's parents were full brother/sister. This breeding wouldn't be allowed now by the KC as they have just brought in new rules to stop these matings.
At least he ended up with a loving home for his last years:D

[tanza]

@basi:

It is bringing it up now on the database. Yes you are reading the pedigree right so Benji's parents were full brother/sister. This breeding wouldn't be allowed now by the KC as they have just brought in new rules to stop these matings.
At least he ended up with a loving home for his last years:D

Could have been an "opps" breeding… it happens to the best of breeders once in a while... I would hope that it was not done on purpose... that would lend to a poor temperament, especially if it was not that great of a temperament of the Mom and Dad. Also good reason to spay/neuter because it can happen to anyone. And if you are not diligent when they are season, this is the result.

[basi]

It could well have been as the sire is "at Brimsan" and they probably had the bitch also as she was homebred.

[Patty]

In those days dogs were still sold in pet shops although I think it may not be legal now but I can't swear to that.
The dog and bitch were the result of a mating between brother and sister but not from the same litter.
Brimsan was / is a breeder of Rough Collies although I haven't seen any Basenjis from that kennel in a long while so they've probably decided to stick to Collies now!!
It doesn't mean it was an accidental mating although if deliberate it was ill-advised because of the pedigrees in that line. The KC has banned such breedings but only, I believe, because of a knee jerk reaction to 'that' programme.

I don't know of any puppies still for sale but if I hear of any I'll certainly let you know. Successful ex- Basenji owners are always welcome in my books as they have a wealth of previous experience which is always a bonus!

Do you definitely want a new puppy or are you prepared to take on another rescue? I don't think that there are any in at present but if you are interested you could put your name down on their list.

[thunderbird8588]

Hi Patty,
Benji did have a quick temper but fortunately no health problems for most of his life.
I would like to get a Puppy so that i could get in early with training.

[Patty]

I can appreciate that you prefer a puppy. If he/she is 'trained' correctly there is no need for any temperament problems. In my experience, and it was certainly true in the early days when people thought that Basenjis should be as any other dog (and we all know they're not!) they're fine if treated with firmness and resolution and love of course.

I know of many cases of dogs from kennels which were thought to rear Basenjis with bad temperaments where the new puppy owners never had these problems and vice versa. 'Nurture not nature', I feel.

I feel sure that your previous Basenji had been incorrectly treated in the time before you had him.

[mramsay]

Here's a summary from the 5 gen pedigree of Bing, diagnosed with hypoparathyroidism.

To save time, I'll just give the affix/suffix for three generations :

Ist gen:

Daneriver/Kokab

2nd:

Kindu/Daneriver
Sikilaa/Kindu

3rd:

Ituri/Bokoto

Daneriver/Adoram

Sikilaa/Sikilaa

Ituri/Bokoto

Further back, other names not mentioned above are:

Domewood
MacEnroe
St Erme
Neyeliz
Antefaa
of Congo

Pharaohland
Burntoak
Benjalah
of the Acorn
Katanya
Afrika

That's the lot!

[thunderbird8588]

Its fascinating to look down the lines of our dogs, i recognise some of the names from Bings line that were in Benjis, Bokoto,Adoram,Domewood and ST Erme

[jules]

Who in the uk is breeding this year ?i know of 2 clear to clear matings

[seko]

@mramsay:

Here's a summary from the 5 gen pedigree of Bing, diagnosed with hypoparathyroidism.

To save time, I'll just give the affix/suffix for three generations :

Ist gen:

Daneriver/Kokab

2nd:

Kindu/Daneriver
Sikilaa/Kindu

3rd:

Ituri/Bokoto

Daneriver/Adoram

Sikilaa/Sikilaa

Ituri/Bokoto

Further back, other names not mentioned above are:

Domewood
MacEnroe
St Erme
Neyeliz
Antefaa
of Congo

Pharaohland
Burntoak
Benjalah
of the Acorn
Katanya
Afrika

That's the lot!

Looks like your Bing(remember the name from a calender I got year ago from the litter sire's owner) is my Thorn's(Midnight on the oasis with bredand) brother you should also check with Fanconi as Thorn as been DNA tested as affected, even if a 9 and 1/2 still not spilling glucose.
I have near my desk a pic of Bing puppy running with a mouthfull of grass so cute.
I am please I have found some basenji familly on this forum.

[mramsay]

I know that picture of Bing well - it hangs in pride of place in the hall. I can only guess how you came by it as I would think his breeder would have been the only person we gave a copy to!

Thanks for the info re Fanconi. We will obviously keep that very much in mind.