@senjisilly just now saw your reply. Thanks for the pedigree website. I knew about it and it’s a great resource.
Pedigree
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That is not foreign… this is a "made up" registery... that many BYB and Puppy Millers use because they do not want to confirm to AKC regulations for DNA parent testing.....
She got the damn by chance I can copy the email of what she sent.
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My breeder just sent me th pedigree of the father, and I was just wondering if you could help me out by looking at it? I don't know what to look for.
And you can go to http://www.pedigrees.zandebasenjis.com/search.html and see if you can find the sire of your pup in this database. This is the database that responsible breeders use
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If you would like to share the information, then there are many of us here that can research
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Research what? The sire is Texas Wallering Poker. Dam is Sandy Dandee.
This is the email
"As stated in the ad they are ACA and CKC registered. The way I got Dandee and Sandee was by chance. My daughter saw an ad in the paper 3 years ago about a kennel closing and every dog had to go that weekend. We went to look at a shih-tzu for my daughter. This place was horrible and filthy and no dog should ever have to live in those conditions. It smelled so bad you couldn't breathe and the dogs were in a barn with narrow little runs that obviously had never been cleaned. I was sickened and I saw three basenjis. Not familiar with the breed,(I have raised shelties for many years) I asked about them and the woman didn't have anything good at all to say about them. She had bought them in Louisiana and they were all about a year old. They seemed overly excited and friendly but I assume it was because they wanted out! Feeling sorry for them I immediately brought them home. After several vet visits and bathes and lots of sunlight (which they had never been in since puppies) and room to run around I fell in love with the breed and have had them ever since. They are different from my shelties but very unique in their own way. Dandee is the sweetest and most calm. Loves everyone and gets along very well with other dogs. Sandee can be a little dominating and I have to put her in her place at times. The male I brought home died from a snakebite 2 years ago. We live very secluded in the country and have 600 acres surrounding us so snakes are very common in Texas. He didn't make it and I bought Poker from a man in Oklahoma. All of my basenjis have no health problems. The puppies will have a full health checkup at about 7 weeks where my vet checks their eyes, hearing and patellas. He does a fecal exam and a neurological stimulus test. If any problems are present then I will let you know. Out of 3 years of Basenji litters i have only had one puppy that had a slipped disk. The rest have been very healthy and passed all health exams. You will get a copy of the health exam when you get your puppy. Feel free to ask any more questions." -
Well neither the sire or dam are AKC registered. Did she give you the names of their sire and dams?
And I take great exception to "my Basenjis have no health problems"…. unless you do health testing, how do you know that? And I don't see any Eye Exams? And to take those Basenjis and then turn around and breed them... IMO is not being responsible... to take them, spay/neuter and find or give them good homes, that that would be responsible.
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Maybe she is not being responsible… idk. I am getting the fanconi test, and if I have to I'll do the other test. I decided on him before I came onto this board, and I really like to talk to you guys. I just think she has a heart... but idk.
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Maybe she is not being responsible… idk. I am getting the fanconi test, and if I have to I'll do the other test. I decided on him before I came onto this board, and I really like to talk to you guys. I just think she has a heart... but idk.
Like I have said before, it is everyones choice what/where they decide to get a puppy… we can only give you the voice of reason... and that there are better choices... I wish you good luck with your puppy and only hope that you will have him neutered and enjoy him as a family pet... without health problems.
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Oh trust me my pup is not going to breed. My old chiarat Riley had puppies w a yorkie and surprisingly they were cute! But never again lol. He is going to neutered as soon as it is 'time' for him to be. My old sheltie died of kidney failure so I know what pain feels like when losing a dog. I just hope you guys will still talk to me, and respect me. That's all I am asking for.
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ACA and Continental Kennel Club often referred to as CKC by puppymills in order to sound like the Canadian Kennel Club, a reputable foreign registry. When dogs are advertised as being registered with these registries it is a giant red flag that the person who is breeding does not want to follow AKC rules, including mandatory DNA parentage profiles for frequently used sires but still wants to make their puppies sounds valuable by saying they are "registered".
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cuttiepie-
i have to say i've been reading your threads and i just wanted to say i've been really impressed with your openness and learning curve. so many people get defensive and i think that's easy to do when confronted with less than stellar comments about a puppy that they are/planning on bringing home. the advice you've been given here, however, is spot on from caring breeders that have been in the breed for many, many years. however, i think every here also knows it's so easy to quickly fall in love with a basenji puppy, even from just looking at the pictures. but one of the biggest problems with basenjis is that many of the health problems (fanconi, pra) that plague this breed don't show up until the dogs are older. late-onset health problems for many breeds mean 4 or 6; however in our breed a "healthy" dog starting to show signs of fanconi or pra at 10 (or later) is not uncommon. everyone here wants to see you bring home the best possible puppy for your home so that you can enjoy your puppy for many, many healthy years to come. Good luck in whatever you decide. -
Another way I see it is that this puppy is going to a good home. I will love him with all my heart. I am seeing her house when I pick him up…
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Also I already scheduled the flight, called off work, and my mom said we can't change the flight, and stuff, and thank you. lol
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The Continental Kennel Club is a sham registry - no animal from the CKC will be eligible to compete in any AKC events (unless neutered and you apply for an ILP number) Puppies with a parent whose registry is the CKC are not eligible to be registered with AKC.
What does that mean - it means that while your 'breeder' may be well intentioned - or new - she has started with animals from an unreliable registry and most likely the animals came from a puppy mill or broker. It makes it difficult to track many of the things that basenjis get because - the puppy mill registration is under the radar if they are not AKC. They don't have to comply with any DNA testing that proves the dad is the dad. etc.
So you can say - it doesn't matter because you only want a companion - BUT you are supporting irresponsible breeders when you purchase from someone like this. Your choice of course - but I think enough of us have pointed out things that should be a concern to you - you have to decide if you want to purchase from someone that appears to have mis-represented her sire and dam OR is so lacking in knowledge that someone else gave her mis-information. Neither of which is very appealing as someone that I would expect to have a lifelong relationship with or someone who could assist you over the life of your dog.
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I don't know. I am talking to her tomorrow. Like I said though I already have flight and everything….
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The Continental Kennel Club is a sham registry - no animal from the CKC will be eligible to compete in any AKC events (unless neutered and you apply for an ILP number) Puppies with a parent whose registry is the CKC are not eligible to be registered with AKC.
What does that mean - it means that while your 'breeder' may be well intentioned - or new - she has started with animals from an unreliable registry and most likely the animals came from a puppy mill or broker. It makes it difficult to track many of the things that basenjis get because - the puppy mill registration is under the radar if they are not AKC. They don't have to comply with any DNA testing that proves the dad is the dad. etc.
So you can say - it doesn't matter because you only want a companion - BUT you are supporting irresponsible breeders when you purchase from someone like this. Your choice of course - but I think enough of us have pointed out things that should be a concern to you - you have to decide if you want to purchase from someone that appears to have mis-represented her sire and dam OR is so lacking in knowledge that someone else gave her mis-information. Neither of which is very appealing as someone that I would expect to have a lifelong relationship with or someone who could assist you over the life of your dog.
Well put… I totally agree...
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Also I don't really know if this matters or what not. I decided to get a basenji, because In december I had to get rid of my dog, because my dad attempted suicide. It broke my heart that I had to get rid of my dog. I had her for 6 years. I decided on a B, because I just like their personality, and I love a challenge. I just typed in basenji puppies on google and it came up on the puppy website. I saw the basenji, and price, so I acted on it. I have never bought from a breeder. Three weeks ago I made the flight reservation, puppy carry on, and the days off I needed. If she is an irresponsible breeder I can't help it. I decided to get him before I came on this forum. I just wanted to talk to people that are aware with basenji's. I found this forum by pure luck. I talked to a breeder near me, and she didn't have any puppies at the time, so I went for the second choice. I need an companion in my life, and I know I am not a breeder, or have an experience with this breed, but in my gut I just have this feeling that everything is going to work out ok… Like I said I am meeting her at her house, and looking at things and what not.
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Assuming that the pedigree that Cuttiepie shared with me is her puppy's pedigree and not the sire's, here's what I see. The paternal side of the pedigree from the grandparents on back are an unbroken line of AKC dogs. The paternal grand-parents and great-grandparents are dual registered with either the CKC or ACA. (I can't remember how each club writes it's registration numbers.) The dam is registered with the CKC or ACA, whichever this is. Her parents names are listed but they are not registered. Everything else behind the maternal side of the pedigree is listed as "foreign registry". In other words, it's a fancy way of saying we have no idea who they are. Cuttiepie's puppy cannot obtain AKC registration but it can be registered with whichever registry this is, CKC or ACA.
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Here is some food for thought. What will you do if when the DNA Marker results come back the puppy you plan to go pick up is Probably Affected? Will you still purchase him because you have already booked the flight and taken the time off? If she only tested him and not the rest of the litter and the parents are both carriers any of the pups in the litter could also be Affected so it isn't like you could just pick a different untested pup and to avoid the problem.
And as for "only" wanting a companion, that really should make you even more concerned about these issues. I tell each person that contacts me that every one of puppies is first and foremost someone's companion and as such I will not compromise on health or temperament. Each of my dogs is my companion and I want them with me for as long as possible and to be as healthy as possible. What does that mean to me, it means that I have met every dog I have used in my breeding program prior to breeding to them. I am even now planning to fly across the country this spring to meet the dog I hope to use this fall because I need to see for myself their temperament and know it is what I can live with. The vast majority of my puppies go to homes where their only job is beloved companion but that is such an important job that I don't want them to let their families down. I work hard to give them a super start by socializing them to all sorts of people, noises, textures, objects so no matter what they encounter they approach life with confidence and curiosity.
This is what the breeders on this forum want for you. They want you to look beyond the cute puppy picture to think about whether you really are getting the companion you want.
It breaks my heart when I see dogs who are so terrified when they see new person they cringe and hide. Or when I see dogs who are obviously in pain from hip dysplasia. These are things that responsible breeders work hard to prevent and though sometimes things still pop up a responsible breeder is committed for the life of that dog through thick or thin.
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There are plenty of real and reputable breeders within a couple of states of you that do have animals available and right now. A list like this can 'help' some when you have dog issues but your primary source of information should be your 'breeder' who appears to not know what she is doing and likely will not be any help to you.
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cuttiepie-
i have to say i've been reading your threads and i just wanted to say i've been really impressed with your openness and learning curve. so many people get defensive and i think that's easy to do when confronted with less than stellar comments about a puppy that they are/planning on bringing home. the advice you've been given here, however, is spot on from caring breeders that have been in the breed for many, many years. however, i think every here also knows it's so easy to quickly fall in love with a basenji puppy, even from just looking at the pictures. but one of the biggest problems with basenjis is that many of the health problems (fanconi, pra) that plague this breed don't show up until the dogs are older. late-onset health problems for many breeds mean 4 or 6; however in our breed a "healthy" dog starting to show signs of fanconi or pra at 10 (or later) is not uncommon. everyone here wants to see you bring home the best possible puppy for your home so that you can enjoy your puppy for many, many healthy years to come. Good luck in whatever you decide.+1 on this. And I'm very sorry for the stuff that you've gone thru with your dad and can appreciate you wanting and needing a companion as a result.
But please, read what lvoss has said right above. And then please read the other threads on this board from people with heart ache dealing with Fanconi afflicted dogs or even dogs that have come back "probably affected" and they are in waiting and worrying mode as to when their dog might show symptoms.
If your pup comes back "probably affected", stop for a minute. You've been through enough…with your father, with having to give up your other dog, with your dog who had kidney failure. You owe it to yourself to have a "healthy companion" and to start out with one with that can develop this horrible disease is doing a disservice to YOU and your chance to heal and move forward with some happiness. Here is your chance to slow down now that you have more information...while you wait for the results of the fanconi marker test on your pup.
Plane tickets can be changed for little or no money (and I've had plenty of success negotiating for $0 when there is supposed to be a fee) and can be done so the tickets are good for a year...trust me, I do it all the time. Please don't let your plane ticket be the deciding factor on taking a dog that may have health problems later on down the road.
