Dogs are like kids, if they think they can hold out for something "better" they will. 😉
Waiting for the new pup!
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Okay…tell me who Mya's breeder is since you seem to know that the dam and sire have not been tested. Show me the secret. Show me how you know who they are and where you got your information from. Because I have all of the information and you seem to too. I know you didn't get it from me.
Huh? I never said that I knew who Mya's breeder is you never have posted that, however I don't know why it would be such a secret? I asked if the Sire and Dam were tested? And if they were, they would be on the OFA site… I would think that people would be proud of their pups breeder and share who they are...
I would image I could figure it out, if I really want to know... but again, I don't care who buys what from who.. I don't recommend breeders other then to refer people to the BCOA site/members... -
I think she is a beauty.
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Huh? I never said that I knew who Mya's breeder is you never have posted that, however I don't know why it would be such a secret? I asked if the Sire and Dam were tested? And if they were, they would be on the OFA site… I would think that people would be proud of their pups breeder and share who they are...
I would image I could figure it out, if I really want to know... but again, I don't care who buys what from who.. I don't recommend breeders other then to refer people to the BCOA site/members...This is exactly as you typed it "I have never seen that the breeders that Mya came from have DNA tested for Fanconi? Should not be a secret… considering the results are on a public database."
You said it was a secret. You never asked. Did you? You just JUMPED to your own little conclusions. I'm actually here for fun and information when needed. I don't need your assistance and certainly don't appreciate your badgering.
I know you'll have the last word...so go! I'm finished with you and your sorry attitude. Like I said before, I don't need this drama from a complete lunatic.
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I have to agree with you.. I was also a bit annoyed that everybody started about weight, dew claws and breeders not testing..
Mya is beautiful. With dew claws.. Tillo has them as well.. the Dutch government thinks it is cruelty to take them of
Edit: and please tell us about that puppy you are waiting for…...
:eek: SAME FOR ME !! :eek:
I'm very glad it is forbidden in Belgium / Holland. :mad:
BTW, can anyone explain to me WHY they are removing them in the US ?
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:eek: SAME FOR ME !! :eek:
I'm very glad it is forbidden in Belgium / Holland. :mad:
BTW, can anyone explain to me WHY they are removing them in the US ?They have always been removed here in the US, I think the post by lvoss explained breeders reason pretty well here in the US.. again removing Dew Claws is really looked at different in the US and Europe.
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:eek: SAME FOR ME !! :eek:
I'm very glad it is forbidden in Belgium / Holland. :mad:
BTW, can anyone explain to me WHY they are removing them in the US ?The 'why' is somewhere in the previous posts
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OK ! I replied before reading ALL of the responses :o
Now I know.:)
And please, be nice and polite to each other. There is so much valuable information on the forum that it would be a pitty that people drop out !!:o
Our B's will be thankfull !!!:)
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Here is Mya, almost 1-year old now. I think she looks like she's waiting patiently for her new brother or sister. Or she could be planning the next attack on the cat!
Mya is gorgeous! Love her cross-paws pose. She looks like she wants to do you proud, MomOfMya.
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Okay, okay. You're the bomb!!
I didn't post to get a response or validation, I posted in response to a question in this thread asked by dmcarty. She was wondering if it was still common practice to have dewclaws done, and I answered for myself and the breeders in my area that I know.
In response Janneke's post, I described why it is done in the USA and the response I got from the breeders I spoke to.
You are taking offense to posts that are not even directed at you. Even the thyroid comments were someone wondering aloud about something the vet had said to them.
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Thanks Jill. She does do me proud. Don't let her fool you though - she's still a stinker!
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Yes tail docking and ears are still done in the US… but I never heard that reason for tails? While I do agree on doing dew claws, I don't agree with tail docking or doing ears
We see the reason for docking tails alot at the shelter. For working dogs that do their work in close quarters, bleeding tails and infection can be a real problem. In the shelter the problem is caused by them being in kennel runs and them beating their tails against the concrete run causing them to bleed. Most modern dogs are not going to be working in the types of conditions that are going to cause a problem, but I can see where tail damage was the reason behind these practices developing.
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Mya is not overweight. I'm sure it is the angle and the lighting. I am a responsible owner and Mya is well taken care of. Since I own a basenji now I'm knowledgeable enough to ask the appropriate questions of the breeder. I did not post this picture for everyone to point and frown. I most certainly did not post for anyone's disapproval of my breeders either.
My feelings are hurt and I'm not exactly clear on what to think of some of the perfectly opinionated people on this site.
I'm sorry if I upset you, it was not at ALL my intention!
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I didn't post to get a response or validation, I posted in response to a question in this thread asked by dmcarty. She was wondering if it was still common practice to have dewclaws done, and I answered for myself and the breeders in my area that I know.
In response Janneke's post, I described why it is done in the USA and the response I got from the breeders I spoke to.
You are taking offense to posts that are not even directed at you. Even the thyroid comments were someone wondering aloud about something the vet had said to them.
Lisa, I sincerely do apologize to you. What I said to you was inappropriate. I took offense to the "responsible breeder" comment and I know your intention wasn't to point your finger at me. Please accept my apology.
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The thing I don't get is, why the hell is the fourth comment some random question about fanconi? What does that have to do with anything? I thought that was completely out of place…it is such a random question that even if it wasn't meant as an attack I could see how someone could take it that way. I am assuming maybe cause of the third post about how Mya came from a great breeder (I dont know)? Must we REALLY bring up the fanconi question everytime the word breeder is even mentioned? I am afraid it can be overkill to the point where people are gonna start not taking it seriously cause its EVERYWHERE from a select few people, I am afraid they are just gonna start thinking those people are extreme, and that its not a big deal, even though it is not the case. I think a few well placed questions, or some sticky posts, or other things is plenty. I totally agree its a horrible disease, and I understand why you are fighting so hard for it, but I hope you realize that more times than not it seems you are pissing people off and not really getting the effect you are hoping for...its just overkill. I can't even count the amount of members in the last year who have felt attacked or offended by the fanconi question...maybe that should tell us something.
Like I said, I understand its a worthwhile thing to educate about, but come on, in this thread it was totally random. MomofMya was just trying to show off a nice picture, fanconi has NOTHING to do with this...I still dont understand why the question was even asked, it makes no sense. Just completely out of place, and in my opinion, inappropriate. To me, it would be like if I posted a picture of my family online for Christmas or something, and people started asking "do you test for blood pressure regularly? What about cholesterol?" That would just be weird, and of course I would be offended!
All I am saying is lets just think about our comments and how others may take them, and keep the fanconi stuff in its appropriate places...
By the way, beautiful picture of Mya...you should be very proud!
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I am coming in late with this…but fanconis testing questions are something that should be asked and done.
Re dew claws. As a rescue person, that is one way I know the dog who is in rescue came from a non-show breeder.
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That's why I'm asking about dew claws - since I typically work harder to find owner/breeder if I see dew claws removed because I KNOW the puppy mills, and back yard breeders or even less informed breeders around me don't and if I see a dog with dew claws - I don't typically try as hard to see if the breeder wants them back.
IF however more and more reputable breeders are NOT removing dew claws - it is useful information.
re: overweight - god forbid there ever be a picture posted of me
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I also think that if the dog has dew claws, it was not in a show/responsible home.
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re: Fanconi - NO ONE SHOULD EVER HAVE TO UNKNOWINGLY DEAL WITH A FANCONI DOG - NO ONE - NO MATTER WHERE YOUR DOG CAME FROM.
We are passionate about it because we (basenji club members and responsible breeders) have been funding and supporting and trying every thing possible with this horrid disease. We take ownership of it almost as much as if we were doing the tests personally ourselves whether we were actively involved in it or not.
We also are the ones who get the calls from crying owners - who had been told "I don't have any fanconi in my line." when they get the diagnosis for their dog. Seems like giving people the questions to ask up front - is a lot better than people saying that they 'didn't know'.
In advertising - the rule of thumb has always been - in print you have to see something 11 times before it even begins to register. So while you may be on your 15th time - someone else on the list may be on the 1st.
We should have a stickie (or do we and I don't see it) that says: before you buy - tips to know that your breeder is responsible/or not.
