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Thinking about a Basenji
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- I'm 28, live alone and do the typical 9-5. Should I be concerned about leaving a Basenji alone during the day most days of the week? Evenings and Weekends I am always either home or somewhere the dog would be able to accompany me. I'm not concerned about damage/trouble they might get into at home… more just if they will go insane being cooped up alone all day and if its unfair to the dog. I'm fully expecting a short walk in the morning before I go to work and a longer one when I get home to keep him/her active. I'm also not opposed to getting another down the road but don't want to overwhelm myself at this point for obvious reasons.
This shouldn't be a problem for an adult but if getting a puppy you will want to get a petwalker who can come in and give the pup a potty break about halfway through the day. Keep in mind the rule of thumb is that a puppy can "hold it" 1 hour for every month old it is plus one. Example: A 2 month old puppy can "hold it" for 3 hours, a 3 month old puppy can "hold it" for 4 hours, etc.
@Cosmo:- I own a condo that is not on the ground floor, thus no yard… should this be much of a concern provided the dog gets daily walks? Aside from having to carry a poop scooper with me everywhere I go :|
This should not be a problem. I got my first basenji while living on the second floor of an apartment complex. Nicky did well with a 20 minute walk in morning, 1 hour walk in the evening and participation in activities like obedience class and lure coursing.
@Cosmo:- Growing up I always had a dog but I've never owned one on my own. Is the Basenji a poor choice for a first time dog owner due to their stubbornness?
Basenjis can be fine for first time dog owners as long as you are willing to do your homework on trainers and find a good positive reinforcement trainer to help build your relationship with your dog and find a breeder you can work with that will help match you to a puppy or dog that will fit with your expectations.
@Cosmo:- I've spoken to a local breeder and this person is very established. Good standing with all relevant clubs, dogs are champions and all have had necessary health/genetic tests and passed with flying colors…. my only concern is the asking price which is ~$1100 US. Is this unusual? The information I've found suggests anywhere from $500-850 but I wasn't sure if those numbers were a bit outdated or not.
I would say that $500 is a bit low and most breeders seem to be more in the $700-$1000 range. Have you talked with other breeders in the area?
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Hey Cosmo, I had to chime in here becuase the way you describe your situation sounds exactly like mine when I got my first B. I was 28, lived alone, did the typical 9-5, lived in a condo w/ no yard AND had a dog growing up that was not exactly "mine" to take care of.
My first B (I have 2 now) was a 2 year old female, and after some initial adjustments to my home, i.e… destroying the crate she was in while I was gone at work, she was just fine and dandy. I think it was more a matter of being in a new home, without her former pack. I had a lot to learn about caring for dogs in general, and the special requirements of Basenjis in particular. But really, it was all worth it and i ended up getting another B about a year later. This time a 14 week old male puppy! Puppies are a lot of work, particularly since I lived alone, I would actually drive home from work in the middle of the day to check on them (40 minutes each way) and multiple trips out to potty in the middle of the night.
Looking back, I'm kind of glad my first B was not a puppy, although lots of people do it, I think it was easier for me to adjust - with all of the main concerns already taken care of - she was potty trained, was not a big chewer (although that is probably just a trait of hers, I think some B's never outgrow the chewing stage), and already trained to walk on leash.
There are others on here that can probably answer better your question about cost. I can tell you I got my 2 year old female for $400 and she was already spayed. I got the 14 week old puppy for $600... and then had to do the remainder of the puppy shots. From what I've seen on here, that may be a little on the low side, but it was the first litter for my breeders puppy... she may have been trying to feel out the pricing situation...
Good luck! Basenjis are great, but they can certainly be a handful...
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As far as price, I think that the range, depending on the part of the US is 850.00 to 1000.00. Under 850.00 is pretty low, from a responsible breeder, in my opinion.
I know that you also said that they had all the "necessary" health/genetic tests, but have you checked it out for yourself on line at www.offa.org to see if they are posted there. It is always best to make sure by doing your own research. What some breeders consider "necessary" others to not…
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Welcome to the forum!
My first B was older and I was very happy with that decision. It's a good thing that you found this community BEFORE possibly getting a basenji, it's going to be a great resource as you adjust to living with one. One thing that I think is applicable to all dogs but particularly so with basenjis is the importance of creating the conditions for your B to do well (behave). This was brought up in another thread recently. I mention this because you said this is your first dog of your own. This might mean simply putting the trash behind a closed door or some adjustments that you have to make in your day to day life. An open door and anything on the floor is fair game….someone creates the opportunity for the dog to be naughty. Always have something acceptable to chew (this has been particularly important with our 10 month old pup). Thinking about these small ways to help especially a puppy succeed will definitely be starting off on the right foot.
We lived in an apt with no yard for 6 months when we got our first B and it was just fine. There was also a dog park right across the street and she got a lot of walks. You will likely come up with creative ways to burn energy inside as well. And the B will probably sleep most of the day when you're away (what a tough life!). Keep us updated on your search!
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I think this couldn't be said better, or be a more important aspect of 'is a basenji right for me'. People who do great with Bs are usually willing to rearrange their houses, their schedules, and their lives to share with their dogs. People who want the dog to fit in with no changes to the household will not want a Basenji.
Most of us learn that we CANNOT have an open garbage can in the house, nor an box of kleenex on the coffee table, or underwear on the floor, or a meal left on a table unsupervised...if you don't mind changing these habits, then it could be a good match.....
Kudos to the original poster for doing your homework before jumping in...that is a good sign that Bs would be a good match for you too...simply because you are thinking ahead.
And in our area puppy Bs are between $600-$800. And yes, that is with full genetic testing, and lifelong "tech" support for you and the puppy
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I think this couldn't be said better, or be a more important aspect of 'is a basenji right for me'. People who do great with Bs are usually willing to rearrange their houses, their schedules, and their lives to share with their dogs. People who want the dog to fit in with no changes to the household will not want a Basenji.
Most of us learn that we CANNOT have an open garbage can in the house, nor an box of kleenex on the coffee table, or underwear on the floor, or a meal left on a table unsupervised...if you don't mind changing these habits, then it could be a good match.....
Kudos to the original poster for doing your homework before jumping in...that is a good sign that Bs would be a good match for you too...simply because you are thinking ahead.
And in our area puppy Bs are between $600-$800. And yes, that is with full genetic testing, and lifelong "tech" support for you and the puppyYour vet costs must be really low.... to be able to even think about breaking even with a litter at 600.00?... wow.....
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Your vet costs must be really low…. to be able to even think about breaking even with a litter at 600.00?... wow.....
Well, that would only be breaking even if there were more than two puppies in the litter, I suppose. And depending on what the stud fee was…whether it was cash, plus a puppy, or just one or the other. And most likely $600 would be on a co-ownership. I think most people I know are charging around $700-$750?
And, yeah...I think our vet costs are WAY lower than yours...at least for reproductive stuff. And of course, that is assuming there is no emergency vet care needed.
I think more of what drives the cost is what people in your area are willing to pay...and people in the midwest simply won't pay $1000 for a dog, for the most part...nor will they pay almost five bucks for a cup of coffee...which explains why I have to drive 30 minutes to get a frappucino. And they are closing one of our three Starbucks in a 50 mile radius :p
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Hey- I kind of am in the same situation on a lot of these questions. See the answers below.
Hey Guys
- I'm 28, live alone and do the typical 9-5. Should I be concerned about leaving a Basenji alone during the day most days of the week? Evenings and Weekends I am always either home or somewhere the dog would be able to accompany me. I'm not concerned about damage/trouble they might get into at home… more just if they will go insane being cooped up alone all day and if its unfair to the dog. I'm fully expecting a short walk in the morning before I go to work and a longer one when I get home to keep him/her active. I'm also not opposed to getting another down the road but don't want to overwhelm myself at this point for obvious reasons.
I am 28, and my husband is gone about 80% of the time, so I basically live alone, and I also do the 9-5 (and sometimes 9-6, 7, or 10). The crate will be your best friend. Don't feel bad about it. Jack loves his crate- it is his "room" and he takes great pride in setting up the blankets exactly how he wants them. A short walk in the morning is fine, and a walk at night. Sometimes I change it up and throw balls around the house for him.
- I own a condo that is not on the ground floor, thus no yard… should this be much of a concern provided the dog gets daily walks? Aside from having to carry a poop scooper with me everywhere I go :|
I rented a condo last year, on the 6th floor. Jack didn't mind one bit. I think he liked seeing the other dogs in the building. I also think he thought of it as a hotel room that we were staying in for a long period of time. The only thing that sucked for him was that we had quite a few fire alarms, where he was stuck inside during the loud screeching and wailing. Especially during the cold months of the year, Jack was not at all interested in being outside any longer than it took him to do his business.
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Growing up I always had a dog but I've never owned one on my own. Is the Basenji a poor choice for a first time dog owner due to their stubbornness?
Jack is my first dog on my own. I had to learn quite a bit, but at the same time, I think he was the perfect breed for me. He definitely has his own mind about everything…..he is more like a cat than a dog. In some ways, he probably has me trained. I think you will do fine. Get in an obedience class- that was the best thing I did. -
I've spoken to a local breeder and this person is very established. Good standing with all relevant clubs, dogs are champions and all have had necessary health/genetic tests and passed with flying colors…. my only concern is the asking price which is ~$1100 US. Is this unusual? The information I've found suggests anywhere from $500-850 but I wasn't sure if those numbers were a bit outdated or not.
This I know nothing about- I adopted a rescue B.
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Just to add another comment about the cost of the puppy, since I've been dealing with this stuff recently - $600, $800, $1000… for a puppy... the difference is really insignificant when you take into account the amount of money spent at the vet over the life of the dog.... I've paid almost $4000 to the vet just this year on one of my dogs who cracked a tooth, got neutered, had an intestinal obstruction, and (just yesterday) got into a fight with a cat.
It's tough on the pocket book, but worth it to make sure they stay healthy. It breaks my heart when a necessary trip to the vet is bypassed for financial reasons that ends up putting the dogs life in real danger. Not that financial worries are not a REAL concern, but I guess what I'm saying is to make sure to take into account that on any given day, you could be at the vet dropping over $1000 for the health of your pet.
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Just to add another comment about the cost of the puppy, since I've been dealing with this stuff recently - $600, $800, $1000… for a puppy... the difference is really insignificant when you take into account the amount of money spent at the vet over the life of the dog.... I've paid almost $4000 to the vet just this year on one of my dogs who cracked a tooth, got neutered, had an intestinal obstruction, and (just yesterday) got into a fight with a cat.
It's tough on the pocket book, but worth it to make sure they stay healthy. It breaks my heart when a necessary trip to the vet is bypassed for financial reasons that ends up putting the dogs life in real danger. Not that financial worries are not a REAL concern, but I guess what I'm saying is to make sure to take into account that on any given day, you could be at the vet dropping over $1000 for the health of your pet.
Great post and sooo true!!!!
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Hey guys,
Really appreciate all the quick replies, I had no idea there was such an active Basenji community and glad I came across these forums!
You've given me a lot to think about and I have also considered getting an older dog but I'm not sure. I actually have looked into rescue options and there really aren't many in my area. I'm definitely not opposed to an older dog, however I don't really want a rescue dog I know nothing about. Also looked into retired dogs and there simply don't seem to be many breeders in my area (bc, canada), at least not on the internet =).
Also wanted to add I absolutely agree 110% that a extra few hundred dollars for the adoption is a drop in the bucket compared to what I will pay during the dogs lifetime and its not about the money to me… I just felt if a breeder is asking significantly more than others its a bit of a red flag.
Going to look into older dogs a bit more now. Again, really appreciate the feedback!
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Here's a breeder in BC that I know many think highly of…Terray Boomir. Brando, that is on her site is co-owned by Eldorado and Terraust and he lives at my house in Maine! Her dog Nathaniel is my girl Ruby's sire.
Oh, and her site says that she occasionally has older dogs available.
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Wow, Im surprized at the price difference on here…Im getting ready to pay a grand for my puppy. I had to give a 200$ deposit to reserve a spot for the litter and its definatly steep for us but worth it. Our rescue Jack was 4 bucks lol...so this is QUITE a change...but i was under the impression that a grand was very normal for a b...am i wrong? Im in CT
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Just to add another comment about the cost of the puppy, since I've been dealing with this stuff recently - $600, $800, $1000… for a puppy... the difference is really insignificant when you take into account the amount of money spent at the vet over the life of the dog.... I've paid almost $4000 to the vet just this year on one of my dogs who cracked a tooth, got neutered, had an intestinal obstruction, and (just yesterday) got into a fight with a cat.
It's tough on the pocket book, but worth it to make sure they stay healthy. It breaks my heart when a necessary trip to the vet is bypassed for financial reasons that ends up putting the dogs life in real danger. Not that financial worries are not a REAL concern, but I guess what I'm saying is to make sure to take into account that on any given day, you could be at the vet dropping over $1000 for the health of your pet.
Oh, absolutely…just ask my vet if I am his very 'best' customer...I swear I personally financed their new offices
But, in my part of the country..rural (for the most part), blue collar...if people want a nice family dog, they are really unlikely to pay $1000 for one. If they can get a purebred dog for $500 they aren't likely to pay $1000 for one just because the breeder put more money into health care and testing etc. So to remain competitive with BYBs we are forced to charge less, I guess...often less than what the litter cost to put on the ground.
But that doesn't mean that I think people should be persuing purchasing any puppy if they don't have the means to secure adequate vet care, including emergency expenses.
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Hey guys,
Really appreciate all the quick replies, I had no idea there was such an active Basenji community and glad I came across these forums!
You've given me a lot to think about and I have also considered getting an older dog but I'm not sure. I actually have looked into rescue options and there really aren't many in my area. I'm definitely not opposed to an older dog, however I don't really want a rescue dog I know nothing about. Also looked into retired dogs and there simply don't seem to be many breeders in my area (bc, canada), at least not on the internet =).
Also wanted to add I absolutely agree 110% that a extra few hundred dollars for the adoption is a drop in the bucket compared to what I will pay during the dogs lifetime and its not about the money to me… I just felt if a breeder is asking significantly more than others its a bit of a red flag.
Going to look into older dogs a bit more now. Again, really appreciate the feedback!
In that case, absolutely on the coasts (at least the West Coast for sure) the going price is about $1000. That is not out of line at all.
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OMG I am NOT even going to tell you what we paid for Mick.
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As far as price, I think that the range, depending on the part of the US is 850.00 to 1000.00. Under 850.00 is pretty low, from a responsible breeder, in my opinion.
I am definately underpriced for my area. I just found out today that the mini mill a few hours south of me is charging $1200 for her pups with NO health testing on her dogs! :eek:
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I am definately underpriced for my area. I just found out today that the mini mill a few hours south of me is charging $1200 for her pups with NO health testing on her dogs! :eek:
I know that you were just "making" a joke about mini milll puppies… and the price.... and I have to say... and I have had people really take offense at a price of 950.00.... I decided to stay under the 1000.00 mark because it seems to be a "breaking" point.... but all that said, if the price is an issue... I tell people tell me why you thing it is an issue...
Also I have had a couple of people that inquired about a pup that had a Basenji they recently lost... and it was a case of sticker shock... but then again we are talking about 14 to 17 yrs later.....
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Well I think it's kinda weird for people to expect a purebred pup for so little money… for the amount of cash you put into a litter - all one would need to do is crunch the numbers to understand why. In Europe you are paying upwards of $1500 for a purebred dog, and that's not exactly expensive. Ppl know if they want just a "simple" pup - they go to the SPCA.
