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  • lvossL

    We are still waiting for the Fanconi test results for TC but all the other health tests are in and I am getting quite excited about this special litter. This year we are planning a frozen semen litter from our 10 1/2 year old boy Nicky, DC Sherwood's In The Nick of Time SC, RN, LCM, JOR. The dam TC, FC Sunbird Sudnly Follow The Lady SC, will be coming to stay in California to whelp the litter when she comes in season.

    For full details and pictures check out our litter's webpage. I have to update the page again today since TC's hip results just posted on OFA.

    http://kineticbasenjis.tripod.com/litter.html

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  • S

    They will be lovely puppies.
    Do let us know if it takes.

    Sharron Hurlbut

    BRAT, basenji rescue

    Evergreen basenji club

    Seattle Purebred Dog Rescue

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  • JarodkjvJ

    Congratulations, I'm sure you're really excited about this litter coming together.
    And I'm happy that TC's health tests are turning out well (not that I expected anything less!)
    I'm sure they will produce some amazing puppies.

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  • lvossL

    Thanks, I am getting more excited each day.

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  • YodelDogsY

    I think I am almost as excited as Lisa about this litter. They should be awesome pups. :D

    Robyn Dubbert

    Sherwood Basenjis

    One thing that I have learned in life is to accept that things are not all black or all white. Life is shades of gray and just because someone sees a different shade of gray than you do, it doesn't mean their shade is right or wrong, its just different. ~ Robyn Dubbert

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  • L

    Oh so exciting…what beautifull dogs the sire and dam are.
    Keep us updated...are you hoping for any specific colours other then the red or blacks....or will that be the most likley with this pair......I only ask because you are the master of inheritable genetics on this board. ;) with this litter, one thing seems certain...another great generation of lure coursers. :D

    To you

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  • lvossL

    We believe that both of Nicky's parent were homozygous for Red, so he should be also. TC is heterozygous for black and we don't know if TC carries tri or not, though I don't think she does. Even if she did, since Nicky does not the only colors we can get are Reds and Black.

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  • L

    @lvoss:

    We believe that both of Nicky's parent were homozygous for Red, so he should be also. TC is heterozygous for black and we don't know if TC carries tri or not, though I don't think she does. Even if she did, since Nicky does not the only colors we can get are Reds and Black.

    Two beautifull colours :) Good luck with the breeding…keep us updated.

    To you

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  • lvossL

    TC's Fanconi test result is in and she is Probably Clear/Normal. Nicky is also Probably Clear/Normal. TC's owner has also given me a heads up that the girls may come into season early this year. She is hoping that they will hold off since she is planning to go to Nationals and them being in season early could complicate things.

    So now I am getting really excited!

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  • lvossL

    I also just realized how much work I still have to do to get ready for puppies. So I guess I am really getting excited and a little bit of that "how am I going to get everything done" feeling.

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  • L

    Ah the trials and tribulations of being a good breeder. Good luck with all the planning and the setup for this year…...it certainly takes a good amount of your time to bring the next generation into this world. I am getting excited too.....for the winter when you can tell us all about the cute little bundles of trouble. :D

    To you

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  • SchouiffyS

    Man Ivoss - I wish I was back home for this new litter. I so adore those little BW puppies.

    Lauren - Lycia's Mum

    Wellington, New Zealand

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    I know they say dogs don't understand spite… but I swear Basenjis do._

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  • lvossL

    TC is really looking pregnant now. She is due on October 31st. She is enjoying life in Southern California with my mom and her boys. She is fitting right in with my mom's all black and white household.:D

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  • KebasmomK

    They are all so beautiful. My first show dog in 1978 was a black and white from a breeder in Los Gatos, CA. She was amazing.

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  • QuercusQ

    Are you going to bring her to your house to whelp, or will she stay at your mom's?

    Andrea Walters

    Quercus Basenjis

    NW Ohio

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  • lvossL

    We sent TC to my mom's house to whelp because it is much more relaxing for her to be in a house with two boys than in my house with 3 girls who definitely feel she is not pack. My mom is co-breeding the litter. I have already taken time off work so I can fly down and help with the whelping and have planned on several weekends down there including the holidays.

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  • QuercusQ

    @lvoss:

    We sent TC to my mom's house to whelp because it is much more relaxing for her to be in a house with two boys than in my house with 3 girls who definitely feel she is not pack. My mom is co-breeding the litter. I have already taken time off work so I can fly down and help with the whelping and have planned on several weekends down there including the holidays.

    Sounds like a great plan :)

    Andrea Walters

    Quercus Basenjis

    NW Ohio

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  • lvossL

    Yeah, TC is really enjoying it. Today was a chilly day in So Cal so my mom got out the jackets to make sure no one was cold on their walk. I think TC's jacket accentuates her belly.

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  • L

    What a great jacket… where did those jackets come from, I really like the style.. very simple.

    To you

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  • S

    She is lovely, hope all goes well and we have puppy pics soon.

    Sharron Hurlbut

    BRAT, basenji rescue

    Evergreen basenji club

    Seattle Purebred Dog Rescue

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