Yes, Jennifer, I agree about other health issues, especially eyes!
BCOA Fanconi list
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Here is the link to Katie's sire's page. He has already been tested and is Probably Clear.
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Thank you for the information. That's an amazing data base.
I do have a couple of questions. When a dog is tested, can the owner request the Fanconi information be withheld from the data base online?
The reason I ask is that I see many dogs with hip and cerf info, but not Fanconi. Which brings up my next question. Do you think many breeders that know they have a positive dog intentionally keep them off the list, and continue to breed?
No offense intended to anyone here.
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I'm sure it is possible to request that it be withheld, but the reason for what you see is that many people have gotten other OFA database tests done, but have not yet done the fanconi test. There may also be the time delay because it takes longer for the University to get around to testing all the Fanconi requests than it does for the rest of the tests.
I highly doubt that anyone would keep a positive dog off the list just to breed, but I guess it is possible.
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Fanconi DNA test can NOT be withheld. Period… it is not optional. If the dog/bitch is not on OFA, it has NOT been tested.
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Thank you for the correction, I apparently was not that sure. I'm also not sure that more than maybe like 5 people have even tried.
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Thank you for the correction, I apparently was not that sure. I'm also not sure that more than maybe like 5 people have even tried.
Tried what? If you remember the submission form for Fanconi, it clearly states the results will be posted on the open datebase of the OFA site. On the forms like for hips there is an option to not post the results (which I think is wrong… all health tests should be publicly posted)
Here is the statement from the Fanconi form about OFA and you have to sign this or they will not do the test
OFA DATABASE CERTIFICATION
I hereby certify that the sample submitted was of the animal described on this application. I authorize the OFA to
release all information on the test results, thus placing the results into the public domain, and I hereby release
OFA from any and all liability associated with the release of test information.
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Oh, I'm just sure that some people have tried to contact the university to see if they could not get the results posted.
This is one place where we do agree well. I also think that the tests should all be made public.
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Thank you for the information. That's an amazing data base.
I do have a couple of questions. When a dog is tested, can the owner request the Fanconi information be withheld from the data base online?
The reason I ask is that I see many dogs with hip and cerf info, but not Fanconi. Which brings up my next question. Do you think many breeders that know they have a positive dog intentionally keep them off the list, and continue to breed?
No offense intended to anyone here.
The results for Fanconi cannot be with-held, but it's a relatively new test and I'm sure there are many breeders who either have not tested for it yet….. or are not planning to because they know the results will not be good. Those are the breeders to avoid like the plague!.
If I were looking for a puppy now, I'd only buy from one whose testing has definitely been done and posted. -
But on the other hand from around the world there are 1700 Basenjis that have been tested, so for most of the responsible breeders testing is being done. And just on peer pressure, breeders that "might" be afraid of the results are testing…. where there is still a lack of testing is BYB and PuppyMill breeders....
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Speaking of which, Pat, I just got an email from Phil Jones today, that he just send out the bloodwork for three of his most used dogs (including his only 2 males) and will let me know as soon as he gets a result.
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Speaking of which, Pat, I just got an email from Phil Jones today, that he just send out the bloodwork for three of his most used dogs (including his only 2 males) and will let me know as soon as he gets a result.
Well that is a step in the right direction and good to hear, but should be anything and all dogs/bitches used for breeding even one time…. hopefully he has contact all that purchased puppies from him so that they can be advised to have their pups tested...
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This is such a great tool for breeders and such wonderful info for us pet owners.
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I have to say that that 'offa' site is addictive.:o
Another question, if I may (sorry if I've become a pain in your tail curls!:D )
My previous questions about breeders led me to the internet in search of kennels that have lines similar to Kate's and Ty's. I found many breeders that continue to breed "probably carrier" dogs. Isn't that just a genetic crap shoot?? Even when bred with a "probably clear" dog.
I realize puppymills, back yard breeders, and couture breeders will always exist to muck things up, but is there anything in the works with BCOA to remove from their breeders directory members that might be breeding irresponsibly, or not testing their breeding stock for Fanconi?
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Hey. Pat [Tanza] answered your question on page 3 of BOCA Sponsorship thread http://www.basenjiforums.com/showthread.php?t=3941&page=3.
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I think I caught your post just before the edit, the hot list changes per person, and when they last looked.
BTW, I just noticed your quote at the bottom, and you are definitely right, if any animals do, it's basenjis.
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I have to say that that 'offa' site is addictive.:o
Another question, if I may (sorry if I've become a pain in your tail curls!:D )
My previous questions about breeders led me to the internet in search of kennels that have lines similar to Kate's and Ty's. I found many breeders that continue to breed "probably carrier" dogs. Isn't that just a genetic crap shoot?? Even when bred with a "probably clear" dog.
I realize puppymills, back yard breeders, and couture breeders will always exist to muck things up, but is there anything in the works with BCOA to remove from their breeders directory members that might be breeding irresponsibly, or not testing their breeding stock for Fanconi?
There is nothing wrong with breeding a Carrier, as long as it is to a clear. You will only get Clears and Carriers in the litter, none that will produce Fanconi… A Carrier can NOT get Fanconi and bred to a clear can not produce an affected. Our gene pool is small and we can not afford to make the same mistake that was done when we got the DNA test for HA (Hemolytic Anemia) many years ago. HA is a recessive like Fanconi, many people spay/neutered everything that was not clear and it greatly reduced our gene pool... we don't need to throw everything out with the bath water... Again, however I stress.. if a Carrier or even indetermined (between a Clear and a Carrier, test was unclear and it should be considered a Carrier until we have a direct test) they should ONLY be bred to a Clear.
And as I have already stated before, there could be a very good reason to breed an affected sire (via frozen sperm) to ONLY a clear. Yes you will have all carriers, however then you take that offspring to a clear... you can still breed very responsible using Carriers and even an Affected... however for an affected, there should be a pretty darn good reason to do that... like it might be the end of a particular bloodline.... that could be/should be continued...And no, there is nothing in the works with BCOA about breeding carriers to carriers or even affecteds...
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Oh so many reasons for BOCA members and the AKC to open the studbooks to some great African imports.
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I would like to clarify something regarding breeding, especially when we are talking about Fanconi. There are many things that go into breeding, health, conformation, temperament. And there are many other health tests that should be done before breeding, not just DNA for Fanconi. There are Eyes, hips, elbows, Patellas, thyroid… there are other health things that come into play, allergies, skin problems..... there are many "clear" Fanconi dogs that in my opinion have no business being bred... a breeder must take everything into account, not just one test... you need to look at the "whole" dog and ask yourself... "what does this dog have to offer the breed?" What are you looking to gain from the breeding? What will these pups offer the breed to make it better? Certainly money never comes into play, because breeding correctly you will be lucky if you ever even cover the cost of breeding a litter... So there is so much more than just Fanconi, but of course now that we have the test, it gives breeders many more options and with the added assurance that we will never produce another affected Basenji.
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Oh so many reasons for BOCA members and the AKC to open the studbooks to some great African imports.
Without a doubt, I totally agree… however I qualify that with... they must have breed type... I have seen "way" to many that people are claiming as Basenjis that are NOT even close to breed type...
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There is nothing wrong with breeding a Carrier, as long as it is to a clear. You will only get Clears and Carriers in the litter, none that will produce Fanconi… .
Let me expand on this statmen.. you will never get a Fanconi Affected by breeding a Carrier to a Clear… which is what I meant by "produce Fanconi".. Certainly if you breed a Carrier to a Carrier you can get affecteds...
