Oh my gosh! They are both so gorgeous! And I love the growl-fest over the toy!!!!!
Buddy, Bella, & Tippy
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Great pics! The first tri picture of Buddy looks EXACTLY like our Dane. He is our big goofball!
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Oooppps,,,,,,,,,forgot to ask,,,,,,,is his hair a little longer than your brown and white? We got Dane from a pet store (our story sound like yours,,,,,,needing to pay penance for him we have also gotten two B's from BRAT and are thinking of joining the BRAT group) and his hair seems longer than the other two ( a black and white and a red and white). We werent sure if the tri's just have longer hair or if it was just "bad" breeding. No matter what we LOVE them all,,,,,,,,,,well bread or not!
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Hi luvmy2bs, thanks for the nice welcome. Actually the hair on my R&W girl is longer than on the male tri. Our girl is from a responsible breeder and is half-African (Avoranga line from 1980's African imports). In fostering, we've taken care of 15 B's and have dogsat perhaps 10 other B's. The hair length really varies between all dogs. I suspect it's a mix of genetics, temperature, diet, etc. For example, one foster dog came in with short, mottled brittle hair. After 3 months on a good diet, he grew out longer, softer hair.
Buddy was bred in Kansas by a Denise Adams, whelped on 04 Nov '03 and is the offspring of Hofer Sniffer & Midnight Moonglow. What does your pet store's pedigree chart show, if any? Maybe Dane and Buddy are related. I don't see too many tris like Buddy with black being very dominant with a half white fur collar.
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Well,,,,,,,,,,I got out the pedigree chart (not familiar with how all of this works) and this is what it says – Sire is Rusty Manley (rd wh),,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Dam is Lyn (rd wh),,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,grandparents are Sampcre Worfs Al Hasheem and The Complete Picture ,,,,,,,,,,and the others are Hofer Pete and Hofer Skippy,,,,,,,,,,,it goes back two more generations from there,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,any connection ??????/
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Well,,,,,,,,,,I got out the pedigree chart (not familiar with how all of this works) and this is what it says – Sire is Rusty Manley (rd wh),,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Dam is Lyn (rd wh),,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,grandparents are Sampcre Worfs Al Hasheem and The Complete Picture ,,,,,,,,,,and the others are Hofer Pete and Hofer Skippy,,,,,,,,,,,it goes back two more generations from there,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,any connection ??????/
Have you read about the new DNA test for Fanconi? Please do so at www.basenjihealth.org and please consider getting yours tested for Fanconi… I know some of the "Hofer" dogs and there is Fanconi in those pedigrees......
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And also, Kudos for fostering … and even if you did "support" puppy mills without knowing, your B's now have wonderful homes and will never fall into puppy mill breeding to produce more pups!
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Yep, Buddy and Dane are definitely related. Here's Buddy's Sire pedigree, which involves the Hofer line, and likely explains Buddy's and Dane's resemblance. Zande Basenjis basenji databse provides good information on the relationships between the lines.
I recently noticed that Hofer Zipper has been determined to be AFS (Affected by Fanconi Syndrome). Fortunately, FS is recessive in nature, so it's unlikely that our pups will be AFS, but they would likely be carriers of the FS gene mutation. As such, our males are not good breeding candidates by any standard whatsoever. Buddy was born a chriptoorchid (undescended testicles) and subsequently castrated by the puppy miller's vet (which is unusual in itself). In any event, having a Hofer line pup means we got to be diligent on doing the FS strip testing monthly, just in case.
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Have you read about the new DNA test for Fanconi? Please do so at www.basenjihealth.org and please consider getting yours tested for Fanconi… I know some of the "Hofer" dogs and there is Fanconi in those pedigrees......
My wife and I have been discussing getting Buddy tested for the Fanconi gene, but decided to wait til the direct gene test is developed so that breeders can get their dogs tested first. In the meantime, our 4-yr old Buddy's FS strip testing is showing no spillage of sugar.
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Thanks for the info! We have already had Dane neutered so passing on the gene wont be happening but we will definately test him. Dane had some eye problems (caterac (spelling?) and a sphinctor muscle that doesnt contract so his eye is permantly dialated – We took him to an optomitrist and were sad to find out that he will NOT be able to read but other than that he said it shouldnt affect him to much other than squinting and a spot in his vision. Does your boy have anything like that?
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My wife and I have been discussing getting Buddy tested for the Fanconi gene, but decided to wait til the direct gene test is developed so that breeders can get their dogs tested first. In the meantime, our 4-yr old Buddy's FS strip testing is showing no spillage of sugar.
That is great to hear that he is not spilling…. kudos!!!
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Yep, Buddy and Dane are definitely related. Here's Buddy's Sire pedigree, which involves the Hofer line, and likely explains Buddy's and Dane's resemblance. Zande Basenjis basenji databse provides good information on the relationships between the lines.
I recently noticed that Hofer Zipper has been determined to be AFS (Affected by Fanconi Syndrome). Fortunately, FS is recessive in nature, so it's unlikely that our pups will be AFS, but they would likely be carriers of the FS gene mutation. As such, our males are not good breeding candidates by any standard whatsoever. Buddy was born a chriptoorchid (undescended testicles) and subsequently castrated by the puppy miller's vet (which is unusual in itself). In any event, having a Hofer line pup means we got to be diligent on doing the FS strip testing monthly, just in case.
Why do you think that your pup would not be affected? Do you know what the Fanconi status is of his Dam? If the Dam is a Carrier or Affected then the pup could or can be affected….
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And also, Kudos for fostering … and even if you did "support" puppy mills without knowing, your B's now have wonderful homes and will never fall into puppy mill breeding to produce more pups!
In hindsight, we are very glad Buddy ended up in our home. With his autoimmune hypothyroidism (he was diagnosed with hypo at 1 yr old), he was extremely food-aggressive. There's no way any other unsuspecting family would have been able to work through that kind of experience. We attribute the fostering to our learning about hypo and proper treatments, positive reinforcement training, etc. BRAT coordinators have helped us tremendously in understanding how to manage our special-needs Hofer pup.
The fostering has been a very rewarding experience even though it's a LOT of work. After having rehabilitated and rehomed 14 foster B's, we ended up adopting our 15th foster, and have hung up our fostering hats to allow the three to bond and to give our two resident B's a rest from the ever-changing pack dynamics. My wife is now the BRAT coordinator for MD & DE, so we will continue to pay penance, but on more of an administrative level.
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Why do you think that your pup would not be affected? Do you know what the Fanconi status is of his Dam? If the Dam is a Carrier or Affected then the pup could or can be affected….
Tanza, admittedly, my comment is really an optimistic form of speculation based on the observation that Buddy's Dam appeared not related at all to any of the Hofer pedigree lines, but of course that doesn't guarrantee that she wasn't a carrier or AFS. The fact that the gene is recessive reduces the likelihood, but again this is all predicated upon the assumption that Buddy's Dam was free of the gene. With that said, I am testing Buddy & Bella (she's half Avongara) monthly, knock on wood.
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Thanks for the info! We have already had Dane neutered so passing on the gene wont be happening but we will definately test him. Dane had some eye problems (caterac (spelling?) and a sphinctor muscle that doesnt contract so his eye is permantly dialated – We took him to an optomitrist and were sad to find out that he will NOT be able to read but other than that he said it shouldnt affect him to much other than squinting and a spot in his vision. Does your boy have anything like that?
It seems basenjiforums crashed last night, and I couldn't respond. So far, Buddy hasn't shown any vision problems. However, as I mentioned in another post in this thread, he was diagnosed with hypothyroidism, which I believe may be genetic due to his young age.
Please post a picture of Dane or redirect me to one so I can see for myself the resemblance. Have you ever had Dane tested for hypo?
Based on my fostering experience, I believe the incidence rate for hypo in the basenji is relatively high (30% of my fosters were diagnosed with hypo). Buddy was a completely different (and much better) personality than before he was put on soloxine.
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Our girl is from a responsible breeder and is half-African (Avoranga line from 1980's African imports).
Welcome to the forum Navyman, enjoy. What is the registered name of your half Af?
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Welcome to the forum Navyman, enjoy. What is the registered name of your half Af?
Hi Basenji_Boy, thanks for the warm welcome. What a resource-rich site this is. Our sweet-tempered half AF is:
KISA Last But Not Least (KISA Kennels owned by Dana & Kim Byrd near Richmond, VA).
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HP089333/04 USA
2 Jan 2004Her sire is:
Avongara Imba Tena
Brindle & White
HM678202/03 USA
19 Dec 1996Her dam is:
Am Ch
KISA Renegade Red
HM559546/06 USA
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Your girl is related to several of our B's. We have two Imba Tena children and a grandson.
My wife travels and shows dogs with Kim…..they'll be at a show in Virginia this weekend.:)
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Your girl is related to several of our B's. We have two Imba Tena children and a grandson.
My wife travels and shows dogs with Kim…..they'll be at a show in Virginia this weekend.:)
That's really neat! Do your Imba Tena kids have the sweet-tempered and not-so-brave personality of their dad like our Bella does?
Despite her sweetness and complete submission towards her human pack members, she is definitely an alpha with other B's, and has shown she can keep a whole crowd of male B's under her paw with masterful control. It amazes us! For example, at times when Buddy would be feeling a little snarky with a foster, Bella will mouth his muzzle softly with a growl to let him know to "knock it off." She seems to know her human companions don't care much for snarkiness. Her cop skills have helped to keep us out of trouble more than a few times with our fosters.
Kim is such a wonderful, thoughtful person. What's your wife's name?
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Hi Navyman,
Sorry,,,,,,I think the forum crashed or something last night, anyway, What are the symptoms of hypoth.? I will try to post some pics of our Dane,,,,,,,,,we have had trouble posting here before,,,,,,,or I can email them to you.
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Do your Imba Tena kids have the sweet-tempered and not-so-brave personality of their dad like our Bella does?
Yes, Max is a lovable couch potato, but very cautious and yes…not so brave. Penny is a bit more daring, but still a little leary of some things.
Both are very good hunters.Despite her sweetness and complete submission towards her human pack members, she is definitely an alpha with other B's, and has shown she can keep a whole crowd of male B's under her paw with masterful control. It amazes us! For example, at times when Buddy would be feeling a little snarky with a foster, Bella will mouth his muzzle softly with a growl to let him know to "knock it off." She seems to know her human companions don't care much for snarkiness. Her cop skills have helped to keep us out of trouble more than a few times with our fosters.
That's interesting. Max was our first and when we brought in the second, an Af female, Max almost acted like her trainer. He'd take things off of her she wasn't supposed to have and bring it to us…...it just blew us away!
The third B, Penny was raised by the first two and we often say, we had nothing to do with how Penny turned out.....the B's raised her.Kim is such a wonderful, thoughtful person. What's your wife's name?
We've learned so much from Kim, she is a very nice lady. My wifes name is Gail:) They were showing in Cumberland Md last weekend and do many shows in Md. I go to some not all, maybe we'll see you at one in the future. I think they're about done for this year after this weekend.
Are you a member of the Mid Atlantic Basenji Club???
