Breeder MIA

[tanza]

@jeannettemcgarr - Chat is not private on this forum.

[tanza]

@jeannettemcgarr - Sorry you are going through this... I do find it odd that you have not received any responses from her... even busy with puppies it take only a minute to advise potential puppy people that the litter had arrived, number and sex at the least. That is my favorite part of being a breeder... is letting people know that pups are here and what they can expect next, especially for people that might be lower on the reservation list and there may not be a puppy for them. Just another note, I don't and never have required a deposit. I never wanted to put people in the position that they felt they "HAD" to take a puppy because they gave a deposit and would not get it back.
Wishing you good luck

[jeannettemcgarr]

Thank you for the response. I'm hoping the flowers will do the trick and she can at least give me a quick update. My husband was nervous about the deposit, especially since it was 6 months before a litter was expected, but it was refundable until the birth of the puppies. I sent it as a show of good faith that we were serious. We told her we didn't have a preference on sex, coloring, etc. She does breed show dogs and after meeting us suggested we should consider a show dog. She said she was impressed with how well my daughter followed her instruction and how well she interacted with all of the dogs. But we just want a new member of our family. I figured with our early response/deposit and our flexibility on preferences, we would most certainly get a pup. In my mind, knowing basenjis are only available once a year and knowing how popular they are, the deposit seemed reasonable. I don't even really care about the money at this point, I just want to know what's next. I'm trying to remain optimistic and hopefully I will hear one way or another soon.

[starbrightva]

I am a breeder, and I find it odd that you have no response. I know breeders are swamped with work and then raising a litter, but communication is part of the job of being a breeder. Keep trying to reach her! Just another note, I do require a deposit, so the request for one is normal. Each breeder is different on whether deposits can be refunded.

[DonC]

Agree with Tanza that this doesn't sound good. Puppies are a tremendous amount of work but that shouldn't prevent a short note to buyers who have put down a deposit. Sometimes it's nice to deal with humans!

Hopefully this will work out for you.

[Zande]

As a breeder - my priorities are : Make sure the last pup is out, that the placentas are accounted for; put clean bedding (newspaper for the first couple of days) in the bed box; pour a gin and tonic for me; PHONE THE PUPPY PEOPLE !

Obviously there are odds and ends to do along the way - but telling the owners their puppy is safely whelped is very important. I start taking photos and making sure all the new people feel involved, especially if it is to be their first Basenji. They are encouraged to visit as soon as eyes are open and Mom is getting jaded enough to accept visitors.

I'd be worried too, if I hadn't heard - and, btw, I've never taken a deposit. Price is agreed and payment made when the pup if handed over.

Good luck,

[jeannettemcgarr]

Thanks everyone. I guess the flowers didn’t work. Still no word. I tried calling again, no answer.

[tanza]

@jeannettemcgarr - would you care to share privately who this breeder is? I find it very, very disturbing that you have not received any response.... that is not the way that a responsible breeder does things.... You can email me privately, email can be found on my website, link below.

[DebraDownSouth]

@jeannettemcgarr

Do a google search and find out what clubs she belongs to. No breeder with a "stellar reputation" would need to mention posts on any forum as a boost to reputation. Furthermore, the posts could be plants... did others agree? Well known "stellar" breeders are known by other breeders. Also " said the litters "... how many litters?

It could be a death in the family, sudden illness, something. But at this point, if you see nothing in her local news, it's time to contact the local breed club. Say you are concerned, wonder if someone knows if there is an issue. Or send to Pat who will pretty instantly know if you've hooked up to a scam or if there could be some legit issue. I just can't imagine it though. It takes about 5 minutes tops to email the litters status and explain if she won't be in contact for a week or so.

[tanza]

@debradownsouth - I would not suggest to contact a local club. You can however check at www.basenji.org and see if this person is listed as a breeder (you can search by state) and if so then they are a member of the Basenji Club of America parent breed club. Only members can be listed.

[jeannettemcgarr]

Hi Tanza,

I will send you an email soon.

When I say stellar reputation, I mean a significant portion of show dogs are bred with a direct lineage to her kennel. I'm not sure she has actually posted here, but a number of people have discussed her dogs and their experience with her. She was anticipating 3 litters when I last spoke with her in November.

She is a member of the Basenji Club of America.

She has been doing this a long time, and after visiting her, I do believe she is incredibly good at what she does.

I just feel like we fell through the cracks somehow.

[CrazySenji]

I’ve worked with breeders that aren’t great with communication but this is crazy :(. If she cashed that deposit check that means she has a puppy for you and should be in contact.

Most of the breeders I know personally are in the Midwest.

[Katzmeow]

@crazysenji said in Breeder MIA:

Sure you can message me. You deserve to know if there is no puppy for you this year. Keeping you in limbo isn’t right. I’m hoping the breeder is still evaluating puppies and just hasn’t contacted everyone yet.

That seems odd to me, especially after putting down a deposit?

[jeannettemcgarr]

She cashed the check in July.

I did speak to someone on here privately. They do know the breeder and said this isn’t typical at all, leading me to believe there might be something personal going on. I hope everything is okay with the breeder. I’m going to step back for awhile unless I hear something else. If she is dealing with personal stuff I don’t want to add to her stress. Just taking a deep breath and praying everything works out for the best.

You are all an incredible group of people. Thank you for taking the time to talk with me about this and trying to provide a little guidance.

[Zande]

OK, a breeder may need time to evaluate puppies but surely he/she knows how many orders he/she has (deposits taken shows a commitment to supply a puppy) and once the litter is whelped an email or a quick phone call "Yes the pups are here ! she whelped 17 and I have deposits on 16 of them so although I don't know which will be yours, there is definitely a pup for you !"

or

"I am so sorry. There was only one pup and we are keeping it. I will refund your deposit at once"

Even if the breeder is facing personal problems - obligations should not be ignored. An' if things are so bad there is no time for a quick phone call, I wonder who is looking after the babes ?

Its OK for you to show tolerance and patience but don't lose sight of the fact you have paid up-front and are entitled to news, positive or negative.

Good luck and may early 2019 bring you a Basenji puppy !

[LifewithAva]

I agree with the others that you deserve an answer. Whether there's a puppy for you or not, it impacts your family's life in a big way and you need to know. Did she tell you there would be a puppy for you from one of these litters? With multiple litters, you might not know which litter your puppy will come from until the little one is ready to take home, but I've never heard of no contact for a month after the puppies arrive.

I really hope it works out for you. Keep trying! Are you in touch with any other breeders who might have an extra puppy for you... or know someone who might?

[DebraDownSouth]

@tanza You're right... I "assumed" she knew if with the Basenji club.

Whether the norm for her or not, only a tragedy would explain not responding. Again, it's a few minutes. You may want to start calling other breeders about available pups.

[jeannettemcgarr]

I'm tardy, but thank you to everyone who chimed in on this thread. Thanks to Pat, I was able to reach out to someone who knew my breeder and found out there was an unusual circumstance concerning our breeder. I won't go into all of the details, but I will share the happy ending: we did bring home our sweet little Moki in February. She is growing and thriving. She is so smart and sweet and cuddly and our family is completely in love with her. Everywhere we go she makes new friends and she is a little ambassador for the breed.

Without this message board, I think we would have given up and probably would not have gotten our pup. Thank you!

[DebraDownSouth]

Thanks to Pat for helping.

Your puppy is utterly darling. OMG what a sweet face. I am glad Moki is home with you.

[Dagodingo]

@jeannettemcgarr A real sweetheart, lesson #1 at the Basenji school of learning, determination lol.