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Need advice for newborn basenji
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@nancyss said in Need advice for newborn basenji:
How are you going to get him? You really have to check out the airline if he is flying...a lot of dogs die on the trip due to ignorance and neglect.
"According to DoT statistics, 26 animals died while being transported on planes in 2016, a rate of 0.5 per 10,000 animals transported. "
A lot of dogs don't die. If you eliminate brachycephalic breeds and flying in hot summer months, nearly all would be removed. People panic and stress over flights, but far more pets are killed going for a car ride. Almost none of the car restraints actually prevent deaths to the pet, but can keep them from being ejected or hurting people in the car.I agree be careful. Hopefully the breeder, if he has to fly, does not allow any puppy to be flown without someone accompanying it so it can go in the cabin. But thousands of puppies are flown in the US yearly.
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@nancyss hi Nancy, thank you for your replay. I am waiting cabin care my puppy next to me from turkish airlines. this is so important I do not want let her to under airplane
I will keep you update. thank you for your interesting.caner
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No airline will allow Pet in Cabin over the Atlantic Ocean or any large expanse of water. That is why we always tried to fly puppies from London to Newark, New Jersey (just about over 4 hours) and then they changed planes and could ride the rest of the trip as P-i-C. And we always insisted the new owner fetched the puppy so it is good to hear you are flying with the little one.
We went through weeks of training the pup to be alone in a crate, we put human diapers under the bedding so the wetness only went one way, we fed the pup low residue diet for a couple of days before the flight and we put ice cubes into the drinking bowl. These melted by the time the puppy needed a drink but weren't slopped over if the crate was carelessly carried.
And I've said it before -but here it is again, KLM is the BEST airline for caring for puppies and dogs !
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Caner-I am so glad that you are flying with your new little girl. What is her name??? You two will definitely bond on the flight, becuause if you have a friendly seatmate, they will probably have no objection to you holding a sweet puppy sleeping in your arms!!!! I can't wait to see pictures of you and her together!!!! XOXOXO
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@debradownsouth While it is true that myriads of pets do not die during cargo flights, what if the one who was neglected and died of heat stroke was YOURS????? DOT does not report "near misses" ...dogs left on the tarmac in heat or rain for hours-but not enough to die, dogs traumatized by rough handling by unfeeling freight handles who can't seem to understand that a living thing is not "freight" and should not be handled as such, dog who have NO water offered to them when flights are delayed overnight for for long hours....etc. We flew our first Basenji and our flight was delayed by 6 hours. When she arrived at baggage claim, she was completely tramautized and it took lots of work to get her to feel comfortable again. I have never felt so ashamed for this decision. I will NEVER fly another Basenji unless I am right there with them. I don't roll dice on the odds on my beloved Basenjis.
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I am also so exciting for posted my daughter photos with (Heidi) my daughter would like to her Heidi:)... I just need couple of days for bring our new girl member of family -
@zande said in Need advice for newborn basenji:
No airline will allow Pet in Cabin over the Atlantic Ocean or any large expanse of water. T
Sally, not sure how long it has been since you've flown, but I assure you small enough dogs/puppies do fly in the cabin. Two people I knew flew at the same time I did from NY to Israel. Both had their small dogs in the cabin.
Small cats and dogs are allowed to travel in the cabin of the aircraft on most El Al flights. You will need an approved airline pet carrier. You must notify El Al that you are traveling with a pet. Reservations cannot be made online.
El Al Airline Pet Policy - Fly Your Dog or Cat Safely - Pet Travel
https://www.pettravel.com/airline_pet_rules/elal.cfmTurkish Airlines allows dogs, cats, and small birds (goldfinches, budgies, and canaries) to travel in the cabin, as long as the combined weight of the pet and carrier doesn't exceed 17 lbs (8 kg). ... A maximum of 2 carriers are allowed per passenger, but only 1 is permitted in the cabin.....For international flights, the total weight of the pet and carrier will be multiplied by the excess baggage fee for that route.
Air Canada: Air Canada and Jazz flights welcomes small cats and dogs in the cabin if the combined weight of the pet and carrier is under 22 lbs (10 kg). Your pet counts as 1 of your carry-on items and must be stowed under the seat in front of you for the duration of the flight. On domestic flights, pet fees for 1-way travel range between $50-59. On international flights, pet fees for 1-way travel range between $100-118.
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@nancyss said in Need advice for newborn basenji:
I will NEVER fly another Basenji unless I am right there with them. I don't roll dice on the odds on my beloved Basenjis.
So you don't take them in the car except medical necessity? That's rolling the dice. I could list more things, but your condescending "I don't roll dice" is well, condescending.
My point wasn't that animals don't die... they do. But not the dire picture you claim. If you need to fly a pet, then know the stats, check the airline's policies (such as taking out for water if delayed), and decide. You don't choose to fly a dog... your choice. But telling someone they are pretty much being inhumanely irresponsible for flying a pet and exaggerating the risks is not, to me, honest or fair. Again, have flown quite a few dogs and puppies over the years, none arrived stressed out, except the puppy that a friend's mother delivered to me from PA to GA. Totally wigged out. She was a very intense sensitive dog who was a joy to train and work with, but being in the cabin didn't help her at all. I suspect the cargo would have been quieter and less stressful. And btw, if going cargo, some airlines leave the pet with you until they are actually ready to board them.. so you can check. When I flew pups and adult rescues with Delta, I actually stayed with them until the little train thing came to go to the airplane, watched them loaded, and drive off to the plane.
I understand with your really stressful event that you choose not to have a puppy flown again. But please respect that others can choose to without you indicating they are less caring about their dogs than you because you disagree.
@nancyss said in Need advice for newborn basenji:
You two will definitely bond on the flight, becuause if you have a friendly seatmate, they will probably have no objection to you holding a sweet puppy sleeping in your arms!!!!
It has nothing to do with a friendly seatmate. Almost all airlines (I suspect all) have rules against you taking a pet out of its carrier.
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@debradownsouth I wasn't trying to be condescending and I am sorry you took it that way. I was trying to convey my deep concern for the way airlines have treated pets that fly (many don't even treat people that nicely anymore.) When I said I don't roll dice, I meant that I no longer take chances....when pets fly as "baggage" as my first Basenji did, the treatment she received at the hands of the airline that we trusted made me vow we would never do that again. You have been lucky to have had good experiences in the main. I think that is wonderful. I understand that others such as you may not agree with my views, that's no problem. And I never said that anyone was less caring than I...that is wholly YOUR interpretation, not my statement. Caner is a friend and I was giving him my opinion...I thought he and I were discussing between ourselves but certainly your input is appreciated. Basenji people need to stick together!!!!(Otherwise the Basenjis will TOTALLY take over!!!)
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@caner I think I am almost as excited as you are...and I can't wait to see pictures...the pup, you, and Heidi!!!! XOXOXO
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@caner said in Need advice for newborn basenji:
@nancyss hi Nancy, thank you for your replay. I am waiting cabin care my puppy next to me from turkish airlines. this is so important I do not want let her to under airplane
I will keep you update. thank you for your interesting.OK. I must have missed something. From the pic I thought you were getting that cute little boy. Have you opted for a girl? (Sorry if I'm being dense).
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I wouldn't ship a pup in cargo but certainly many have been. We got our first dog that way.
I saw a list of airlines and pet deaths a while back. Some have a much better record than others. I believe that by any measure -- sheer numbers or per mile -- United was at the bottom of the "bad" list.
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Mostly because United allows brachiocephalic breeds (ie short muzzles), which others don't. That accounted for most of the deaths. But, knowing how much more dangerous it was, why did they?
"Between June 2005 and June 2011, 189 animals died in flight, and 98 of those were brachycephalic, according to the Times, which led to some airline bans."
http://time.com/5228475/united-airlines-animal-deaths/Is the bad press likely to push United to be safer? Maybe, but I'd avoid them.
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@nancyss said in Need advice for newborn basenji:
@debradownsouth I wasn't trying to be condescending and I am sorry you took it that way.
No one on earth knows that "tone" is nearly impossible to read than me. I am sorry I read yours wrong.
As for discussing between yourselves... its a message board. Unless you go to private messaging, people assume it open for discussion.
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It still pertains with British Airlines - and flights out of London, Debra. I had to check up in the last 6 months. And they are still very fussy about the size of the crate and the space for movement, standing, lying, turning.
But if Turkish airlines allow Pet in Cabin - so much the better for Caner and the puppy !
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@zande said in Need advice for newborn basenji:
It still pertains with British Airlines - and flights out of London, Debra. I had to check up in the last 6 months. And they are still very fussy about the size of the crate and the space for movement, standing, lying, turning.
But if Turkish airlines allow Pet in Cabin - so much the better for Caner and the puppy !
That's hard. I wonder what their reasoning is? I looked and at least they allow certified assistance dogs on all flights. El Al does not allow any dog over the weight limit, period. Honestly, the most stressful part of moving to Israel was the paperwork and timing of requirements for the dogs.We're able to carry a recognised assistance dog free of charge in the cabin of all our flights.<<
https://www.britishairways.com/en-us/information/disability-assistance/travelling-with-your-assistance-dog -
Hi,
Yes i think, THY is better. kindly find THY related web page for more information.
(https://www.turkishairlines.com/en-tr/any-questions/traveling-with-pets/index.html)
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@debradownsouth Your opinions were valuable...all is well.
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@caner Wow...those are a lot of restrictions, so have you gotten everything all planned out yet? I know all the effort will be worth it when you see your new Basenji family member! XOXOXO
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@donc Hi,
I decide to have girl. But not yet find right one! I am trying to be careful for choose breeders. I think December is best time for new puppy.
