Thank you for the pictures, I too enjoyed looking at the dogs, it was a good entry.
Westminster 2012 Results
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Best of Breed - GCH Signet Meisterhaus Gossip Girl
Best of Opposite - CH Reveille Push The Limit To MV, JC
Award of Merit - GCH Kokopelli's Kyavana
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Who was the judge Pat?
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Honestly, didn't look, it is on the Westminster website.
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I tried to watch it last night but there was something else on the channel! I always wonder why there aren't any Amarh Narh dogs winning at the show…...
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The show is today and tomorrow. There were only 7 Basenjis entered.
Here is the information regarding the Broadcast from the Westminster Kennel Club website:
Broadcast Information
The Hound, Toy, Non-Sporting, and Herding group competition will be televised live Monday on USA Network from 8-9 PM ET and continuing on CNBC from 9-11 PM ET. The Sporting, Working, Terrier, and Best In Show competition will be televised live Tuesday on USA Network from 8-11 PM ET.
Breed judging highlight videos are available throughout the day on Monday and Tuesday on the Westminster Web site. These highlights will be available after the show, as well.
To our West Coast viewers: Please note that the West Coast telecast is delayed for your time zone. Since results are posted to our Web site as they occur live, if you want to enjoy the drama of the moment, please avoid the Westminster Web site after 5 p.m. Pacific Time on each evening.
Jennifer
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I tried to watch it last night but there was something else on the channel! I always wonder why there aren't any Amarh Narh dogs winning at the show…...
Don't think I remember them being entered, at least not in the last few years. Can't win if you don't enter.
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The show is today and tomorrow. There were only 7 Basenjis entered.
Such a small number of basenjis… why? Is the entry fee huge? Do dogs need a certain number of points or wins at other shows to qualify? Sorry to ask what must seem as rather dumb questions, but I have never really understood how this show works.
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Such a small number of basenjis… why? Is the entry fee huge? Do dogs need a certain number of points or wins at other shows to qualify? Sorry to ask what must seem as rather dumb questions, but I have never really understood how this show works.
They have to be finished Champions and the entries (total) are limited so the 2000 able to entry, all breeds can be filled within 5 minutes of the entries being opened… NO JOKE....
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So I just watched the Westminster hound group, and while I have no clue about confirmation and showing I have to wonder… How much is it really dependent on the judges bias? I just can't see the breed that won to have been the best representative of the hound group...IMHO
The reason I ask is bc I noticed the judge smile when the particular dog was up but before she even touched him, I thought to myself , "hmm, that's funny" and sure enough that dog won...hmmm -
did you see it on the westminster website??
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I just watched it on tv, it was on at 8 on the east coast…. Oakley loves watching all the dogs, he's glued to the tv
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ohh. ok… I don't have cable so i have to wait till they upload them on the website.. Saw the basenji breed highlights....
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There were some very nice looking dogs…. Oakley loved it, but I thought last years hound group was better. There were two new breeds in the group so that was interesting....I just hate how you can tell the jugeds favorites early on.... Always makes me wonder "was that dog really better than the rest?" if find it hard to compare a dashound to a Rhodesian... If both met the standard what takes it over the edge for the judge?
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Don't think I remember them being entered, at least not in the last few years. Can't win if you don't enter.
I just find it kind of humorous…she is campaigning dogs in Canada yet I hardly see anything in the US.
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There were some very nice looking dogs…. Oakley loved it, but I thought last years hound group was better. There were two new breeds in the group so that was interesting....I just hate how you can tell the jugeds favorites early on.... Always makes me wonder "was that dog really better than the rest?" if find it hard to compare a dashound to a Rhodesian... If both met the standard what takes it over the edge for the judge?
All dogs are supposed to be compared to 'their' breed standard. They are competing against a set of written rules as to how they should look, move, etc. It seems that it is not fair for them to compete against others that are so different than the others, especially in the hound group where they are so diverse. But the closer they are to breed standard should give them an edge.
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But do all judges see or look for the same edge is my question… What are the chances two judges judged the same group and picked the same dog... Ideally, the answer is they should but IMHO I think it's luck and dependent on the judge barring any major faults (which likely those dogs wouldnt make it to the group showing.) Just my take on the process
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Well, before you go dissing Jennie and her dogs, Gabe has been winning in the US. G CH The Lost Angel Gabriel just went BIS at AKC shows in Midland, Tx. He just won Williamette Valley Basenji Fanciers Specialty at the Portland ROSE Cluster on Jan 18. Ch. ( AKC, CKC,) Africanadian Zen at Ahmahr Nahr finished his CXKC title at Credit valley and his AKC title at Tucson. Both Halle (she is being shown in Canada right now)and Gabe finished their FCI International titles in Guatemala.
So, say what you will, like her or not, she does show in the US and she also shows worldwide. Zen, Halle and Gabe are all eligible for CRUFTS this year. And by the way Gabe is only two and Halle is 7 months. I think she's quite pretty.
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Well I missed the hound group showing (didn't get home soon enough) but caught most of the rest. It was interesting to see some new breeds, one of which was pulled for the final choices (but didn't win). My question is, why is the italian greyhound in the toy group and not the hound group?
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Well, before you go dissing Jennie and her dogs, Gabe has been winning in the US. G CH The Lost Angel Gabriel just went BIS at AKC shows in Midland, Tx. He just won Williamette Valley Basenji Fanciers Specialty at the Portland ROSE Cluster on Jan 18. Ch. ( AKC, CKC,) Africanadian Zen at Ahmahr Nahr finished his CXKC title at Credit valley and his AKC title at Tucson. Both Halle (she is being shown in Canada right now)and Gabe finished their FCI International titles in Guatemala.
So, say what you will, like her or not, she does show in the US and she also shows worldwide. Zen, Halle and Gabe are all eligible for CRUFTS this year. And by the way Gabe is only two and Halle is 7 months. I think she's quite pretty.
Arlene,
All I said was that they usually don't enter Westminster. The last one I remember them entering was RM Holt's Tri that Jennie co-owns, but then he was absent. And if you don't enter, you can't win… made no comment on her dogs. -
But do all judges see or look for the same edge is my question… What are the chances two judges judged the same group and picked the same dog... Ideally, the answer is they should but IMHO I think it's luck and dependent on the judge barring any major faults (which likely those dogs wouldnt make it to the group showing.) Just my take on the process
Each judge judges the dog on the day. Each judge might have a preference on one breed or the other. Many times a "breeder/Judge" is harder conformation/type wise on a breed that they have been involved with. And no, I disagree that two judges, same day, same group would pick the same dog… depends on how the judges interpert the Breed Standard, as they are judging the dogs against the written Breed Standard, not against each other in regards to conformation. However in the ring depending on the day, some dogs just stand out more then others... and have a look "pick ME!".....
I thought that wire Doxie was lovely and that she deserved the group win.
I thought that the Basenji also showed wonderful.
