@jodymp another post you sent stated you were in Yorkshire... so, are you looking for a pup in Europe? Do you have a specific region, or a distance range where you are focusing your search?
Pet Store Basenjis : /
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Thanks guys for responding. All good points. My only wish is that someone who does know the Basenji breed does buy them. Yes, it's a nice wish that maybe if people would stop buying from pet stores then the mass maket puppy mills would find it hard to make a buck. I just want to stop the hemoraging now>> that is a brother and sister who need a good home. It's funny because those that brought up the fact that alot of ppl go to these stores looking for a paticular dog are not really prepared. As I stood there talking to one of the employees I couldn't help but notice hardly anyone was looking at the Basenjis. During that 20mins. of me examining the pupps only two ppl new the breed and kinda had and idea of there traits : (
The concensus on this post says (no) to buying them, $800 a piece, but they are the breed that we so much want to protect.
So it's do we not buy so we teach someone a lesson or do we buy so we can teach this brother and sister that we know there capabilities and love the breed, and to protect them from noobs to the breed… Again something was mentioned about a vicious cycle, well I suppose if their life finds them in a BRAT adoption home some day then so be it but wouldn't be nice if they could find that home and care now not another 3-6yrs. form now? Again my wish is to stop sweating the small stuff now and get them into a positive environment before anymore psycho or mental damage can occure.
This is the time I wish I could win the lottery : )
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Just a reminder that puppies from responsible, ethical breeders also need good loving homes. Also, puppies from a responsible breeder are often priced considerably lower than pet store puppies. Just something for folks to think about when they are seeking to add a puppy to their household.
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It is not about teaching someone a lesson. It is that if you buy that brother and sister, then their mother, father, and siblings are doomed to the same life because the puppymill doesn't care why you bought the puppy just that it put money in their pocket. The only way to stop the cycle is to not buy pet store puppies. Leave contact information for BRAT and the local basenji club so if they are bought the new owners have somewhere to go for information but hopefully they will not sell so that the store will not request more.
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My brother and his wife got Senji at a Petland pet store. Someone returned him. The store said that they rarely get basenjis, and they didn't know anything about them. They paid $600 for him. When they got him, he had a small growth on the back of his neck. The vet gave them some ointment for it and it healed, but his fur is a slightly different color in that spot. Otherwise, Senji has been healthy his whole life, until his liver problem was diagnosed recently. Before that, I've only needed to take him for his yearly check-ups since I got him. It seems that anytime a B shows some sort of symptoms, it IS something serious. For a B not to want to eat or to be lethargic…well, you just KNOW something's wrong.
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this is another thread we had on pet store Bs
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I bought my first basenji from a pet store. It was long before the internet, and I'd researched breeds of dogs that I wanted, and the basenji stood out. I looked, and looked, but never found one. One day my vet called me, and told me that he had seen two at the mall. We brought Mowgli home on "trial".
In hindsight, the pet store did us a huge disservice in selling us the basenji without educating us. It was tough, and we did not know how to handle him.
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I wish there was some way to save all these pet store puppies..it's so incredibly inhumane. BRAT and such organizations should coordinate a massive protest in front of places like these. I'm sure if people saw pictures & stories of how these animals are mass produced the public would react!
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I know it may not be my place to say anything here but some people see pet stores as their only choice. Some breeders are extremely picky about who they place their puppies with and some just never even respond. I contacted so many breeders and brat in my search for a b. I never heard anything back from brat and I only heard back from two b breeders, if its impossible to get one from a responsible breeder what do these people do? Unfortunately turn to pet stores that sell puppies.
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I know it may not be my place to say anything here but some people see pet stores as their only choice. Some breeders are extremely picky about who they place their puppies with and some just never even respond. I contacted so many breeders and brat in my search for a b. I never heard anything back from brat and I only heard back from two b breeders, if its impossible to get one from a responsible breeder what do these people do? Unfortunately turn to pet stores that sell puppies.
I think that is a very valid point. When we were looking for our second basenji, we didn't want to buy from a pet store, but wanted a puppy. We talked to many breeders who blew us off completely. It really was disheartening.
Brat workers are understaffed/overworked. Don't take it personally. I know one person who volunteers for brat 25+ hours a week in addition to a full time job. They just don't have enough help to coordinate dog placements.
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I know it may not be my place to say anything here but some people see pet stores as their only choice. Some breeders are extremely picky about who they place their puppies with and some just never even respond. I contacted so many breeders and brat in my search for a b. I never heard anything back from brat and I only heard back from two b breeders, if its impossible to get one from a responsible breeder what do these people do? Unfortunately turn to pet stores that sell puppies.
That is true…some people wouldn't qualify for a puppy from a responsible breeder, or rescue...but they can still buy one from a store. I don't particularly mean you, parkersmom....but if someone doesn't want to have their pet spayed or neutered, or they insist that they won't put up a fence, or keep their Basenji on a leash...they won't be able get a dog from the more responsible people.
And it is true, that sometimes it is hard to get a breeder to respond. Sometimes their waiting list is already full, or they aren't breeding a litter this year, or they aren't sure what they are doing this year. But, I agree, it is wrong not to give a call or email back just to let the person know you are interested in them. But I recommend you keep trying, if you find one that you want to deal with! Sometimes we are very busy with life, just like everybody else
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i can appreciate your point, parkersmom. i have just been/am still going through a major ordeal trying to get my moms puppy. there are 3 breeders listed as owners of the litter, none of which actually bred the litter. there are lawsuits being threatened and each breeder wants their own contract. it is h-e double toothpics for sure. i live in an area with plenty of nice breeders that i would go to for a dog of my own, but they dont want their dogs leaving the area, so they can go to shows here, or they didnt have exactly what i was looking for. i would never consider going to a petstore, even through this had made me want to rip my hair out! not to mention the fact that she had a puppy reserved, but the bitch didnt wind up getting bred.
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What will happen to the puppies that were rescued by BRAT?
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Update: >> Back to the store to drop off some info and to my suppries the girl is gone and her brother barooing away : '( There was a mom and daughter intrested in purchasing him so I sat them dwn and gave them the low down on Basenji life. I told them about good breeders and to think it over tonight and go home and log onto BRAT. If they felt like coming back the next day to purchase him I told them to call me so I could give them more info.
I felt sorry for the little guy. I stayed awhile and played a bit with him, funny he really thought he could eat my shoe, rofl. I took him into the little visiting pen and while still speaking to the daughter and her mom the little guy was doing the 500 around my feet, damn I wish I had my phone for video.
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What will happen to the puppies that were rescued by BRAT?
They will be adopted out, just like adult rescues. My guess is they will have NO problem placing puppies! I could be wrong, but I think *most people contacting rescue want a dog as young as they can get? Maybe somebody will correct me, but that is my hunch.
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We had a PetLand here for a short while years ago. When it first opened there was a tri boy basenji there. I dropped off a few pages of info, and asked the staff to put in his file, for whoever purchased him. It was just a little intro note, about me, that I was willing to help anyway I could; BRAT info; BCOA info; and some other websites, etc. The employee said 'thanks, and I'll put it in his file'. I don't know if she ever did, but that dog wound up at a local breeder's house on his way into the BRAT system. The owner was nice, just not a good match for a Basenji.
The pet store had dropped his price tremendouly from over $1000 to less than $500…and the owner bought him because she felt sorry for him...he had been there for months. Thankfully, that PetLand never brought in another Basenji.
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Being a vet tech for several years I always heard–"Do NOT buy pet store dogs". And until 2 years ago, it would never have been a consideration. 2 years ago I went into a petland and saw a little red and white basenji. I had never seen a basenji before in Columbus and immediately went home to research the breed. I also checked the shelters-nothing, BEAR- Dayton, OHIO's rescue-nothing, and breeders-nothing. (I had not heard of BRAT at the time) I waited as long as I could and decided that Pet shop dogs need rescued too. I have never regretted my decision and I believe that even good breeders may sell there dogs to pet stores for a profit. I think the main concern with buying a pet store dog is that you do not get the support you should get from a good breeder. If you are a knowledgeable owner I see no reason why you could not buy from a pet store. Unfortunatley, that is generally not who purchases them and I agree they most likely will end up in a shelter.
It seems easy to say that ALL pet store dogs are from puppy mills but that simply is not the case. I don't feel it is fair to make someone feel guilty for giving any loving animal a home-regardless what the bloodline is.
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i know the general consenses here is not trying to make anyone feel bad. i will however, argue that good breeders will not sell their dogs to a pet store no matter what. good breeders care enough about their dogs or at least their breeding program to keep track of the animals and make sure only desired breedings take place. i think if there were some emergency and a good breeder needed to place dogs they would go to other reputable breeders or brat for help, not a petstore.
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Yes, you are probably right. I am very attatched to my little boy and very defensive. I think I typed in defense of feeling my little boy was being made fun of. :rolleyes:
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COLOR="Black"]Well, IMO, that is just not true. Good, responsible breeders DO NOT sell puppies to pet stores. Good, responsible breeders feel it is important for them to know where their puppies are going, and to know that puppy is cared for for the rest of its life. They couldn't do that by selling to a pet store, and not knowing where the puppy ended up.
The reason no one should purchase from a pet store is not about the life of the puppy they are purchasing...it is about the life their unfortunate parents live, and the other unfortunate breeding stock dogs that will be kept in puppy mills to make more puppies to sell. You are right, it is not fair to the puppies who end up in the store. They deserve wonderful homes where they will be loved...but in the big picture, it is really damaging to pay money for puppies in a pet store, especially at a price that will provide millers the incentive to breed more.
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Well, I suppose there may be a VERY small number of independently owned pet stores that sell puppies from backyard breeders. But the very, very large majority are produced by puppymills, and then handled and shipped by the Hunte corp...look 'em up on the internet. And that was what the most recent discussion on this thread was regarding.
My intent is not to make anyone feel guilty. In fact, if someone feels guilt about purchasing a dog from a petstore, that is their issue, not mine. But I do want to educate people, so that they won't buy their NEXT dog from a pet store. I want ALL dogs to have loving homes...I don't care where they came from...but that includes the dogs that are being treated like livestock in mass production lines. This argument has nothing to do with bloodlines.
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In order to be a responsible breeder, a breeder must know where their puppies have ended up so they can be responsible for them. A responsible breeder requires that if their puppy can not be kept for any reason during its lifetime that it will be returned to them so that they do not become a burden to the already overtaxed shelters and rescue programs. By this definition, anyone who sells their dogs through a pet store can not be a reponsible breeder. They have no way of knowing where their puppies end up.
Breeders who sell their puppies through pet stores do nothing to ensure that the homes their puppies are placed in are educated about the breed, they do no follow up and support to make sure that the puppy makes a smooth transition into the home. They allow their puppies to be taken away from mother and siblings at a critical development period where they require socialization with mother and siblings to develop skills for future interactions. Breeders who sell through pet stores do not provide buyers with information about breed specific health problems and health pedigrees with verifiable test results are not available. All of these things are what make a responsible breeder.
