Shock collar training

[Quercus]

@Rita:

How many B's are in resuce today because people could not take the way they acted? How many are there because people gave up just did not keep trying?
If this helps just one person and they keep there B because things got better there is one less little baby with no home. Your right about one thing this collar is not for everyone you have to know what you are doing. If person uses it everyday for just a power thing then its wrong. However you give the air of _am a BAD person because I have used the collar. Any one of you that think this are so far off base it is unreal. I have said this once before my daughter and I almost both died at her birth. I can tell you now I think different then a lot of you and pain and hurt are one of those things. So do not point at me.

Rita Jean

I doubt anyone thinks you are a bad person. No one is pointing at you?!? You are putting all of that emotion out there yourself.

If you feel like you have to offer an option for people to train their dogs, that is fine…I feel like I have to offer a warning to people that using an e-collar on certain types of dogs, or using it incorrectly can make them fearful and aggressive. This is not a personal attack._

[Rita Jean]

No one said problem dogs just everyday B that we all know can be to much for some people. Unless you think B's are problem dogs.

Rita Jean

[lvoss]

@Rita:

How many B's are in resuce today because people could not take the way they acted? How many are there because people gave up just did not keep trying?

To me this is a description of a problem dog. A dog that is exhibiting behavior that the owner does not want and does not know how to manage. That same dog in a knowledgable foster home could be a dream dog but at the moment where the owners are feeling in over their head, yes, it is a problem dog.

[Rita Jean]

Owners are in over there head beacuse they were not ready for Basenji. We all know they are not sit on the chair and watch tv dogs. However to me I do not see this as a problem dog there behavior maybe normal just not to the owner.
Anyway as much fun as this has been ha! ha! I am off to bed granny gets up really early. I shall look on here in the morning to see what ever anyone else has to say.

Rita Jean

[tanza]

IMO… people should just say NO to shock collars... if they are not ready for a Basenji or any other breed... they need to learn first... before getting the dog.. and if they have the dog first.. they need to learn "reward" based training before just going to the easy way with a shock collar.. which could easily lead to a really nasty reaction from the dog.. regardless of breed.. and I totally disagree that they are not "sit on the chair, watch TV dogs...".. they can be.. without a doubt

[Quercus]

@tanza:

IMO… people should just say NO to shock collars... if they are not ready for a Basenji or any other breed... they need to learn first... before getting the dog.. and if they have the dog first.. they need to learn "reward" based training before just going to the easy way with a shock collar.. which could easily lead to a really nasty reaction from the dog.. regardless of breed.. and I totally disagree that they are not "sit on the chair, watch TV dogs...".. they can be.. without a doubt

Good point, Pat…mine are totally sit on the couch and watch TV dogs...add in: under a blanket, in your lap.

One thing that I always tell people about positive reinforcement training, vs. correction, or punishment based training, is that you won't do any harm with positive training...you might with punishment training.

[shep_18]

I ended up buying one anyway, and so far its great. I have tried everything under the sun so this wasnt me taking the "easy way out". This was my last resort. Some people hate shock collars and some people don't. He has had no bad reactions and i only use the lowest shock when i need to..so far i'm only using the beeping one which is tone only and no shock. The highest shock doesn't hurt me at all (yes like many people i was curious) its more of an annyoing tingling feeling which would only bother me if it went on for a couple minutes, which you are obviously not suppose to do. If used right i see no problem with it.

[nomrbddgs]

This person asked for an opinion on the pet store collars and since I had used remote collars for field work many, many, MANY (over 15) years ago, I gave an opinion. Everyone learns about negative and positive reinforcement differently and within different time frames. Most of us would not use these anymore, but would try to learn more positive reinforcement methods.

Oh, by the way, I did try it on myself before I put it on the dog and I never went up even half way-there was no need. Sometimes just the beep (or vibration on some) has the desired effect.

[Rita Jean]

Shep 18 I am happy things are going well for you. Your are so correct if used in the correct way they are not bad and so much better than having a puppy or dog get away and get killed.

Quercus and tanza
In my eyes if you two have 6 month old puppies that just sit on chair and watch tv there is something wrong with them. Jaycee full of life and plays and has fun the tv comes only at about 9:30 to 10:00 P.M. at night. Jaycee loves to play and watch outside wild animals in door so when I say do not sit and watch tv I am sure when she gets older she might but until then…....................

Rita Jean

[Quercus]

@Rita:

Shep 18 I am happy things are going well for you. Your are so correct if used in the correct way they are not bad and so much better than having a puppy or dog get away and get killed.

Quercus and tanza
In my eyes if you two have 6 month old puppies that just sit on chair and watch tv there is something wrong with them. Jaycee full of life and plays and has fun the tv comes only at about 9:30 to 10:00 P.M. at night. Jaycee loves to play and watch outside wild animals in door so when I say do not sit and watch tv I am sure when she gets older she might but until then…....................

Rita Jean

Well, here's the problem…you said "we all know these aren't sit on the chair and watch TV dogs"...and indeed, that is your experience with one, six month old, Basenji. Your shock collar worked with one, six month old, Basenji.

You a bring a different perspective here, which is great.....but so far, your only experience is with one, six month old Basenji. It is kind of early to tell what has worked, and what hasn't for Jaycee's long term training.

With all the six month old pups that have lived here (not that many compared to some on the forums), of course they ran around, shredded stuff up, played with the others, and acted like puppies. Then they all fell asleep on the couch, either with the other dogs, or the humans in the evening. There is nothing wrong with them :rolleyes:

[tanza]

@Rita:

Shep 18 I am happy things are going well for you. Your are so correct if used in the correct way they are not bad and so much better than having a puppy or dog get away and get killed.

Quercus and tanza
In my eyes if you two have 6 month old puppies that just sit on chair and watch tv there is something wrong with them. Jaycee full of life and plays and has fun the tv comes only at about 9:30 to 10:00 P.M. at night. Jaycee loves to play and watch outside wild animals in door so when I say do not sit and watch tv I am sure when she gets older she might but until then…....................

Rita Jean

Did I say anything about 6 month old puppies? You said "we all know these aren't sit on the chair and watch TV dogs", I said mine do?… Did I say puppies and that was all they do? I don't think so... you are comparing your one puppy, one experience with a Basenji which is fine and it might work for your pup... long term, who knows. Chances IMO using things like shock collars will come back to "bite" you in the end.

And I still believe it is the easy way out... and if the day comes that one of these dogs that are wearing a shock collar has enough and bites back... who will suffer? The dog... who brought it on the dog... the human

[Rita Jean]

Here is the problem the Basenji is a great dog and does some really wild and cool things and can be very stubborn. I may have ONLY experience with one, six month old Basenji but I am far from the experience of stubborn. Over twenty years with Akitas and over 10 years with Shiba. Now if you think they are a walk in the park and just roll over and sit you will be very incorrect.

Rita Jean

[Rita Jean]

Tanza you have your way and I have mine. I have gentle loving dogs that do mind and I have had the long term on dogs for a long time. However with having been said enough is enough as a road also parts and goes seperate ways so this also needs to. There are much more things to talk about other than killing the comments here over and over.

Rita Jean

[tanza]

@Rita:

Tanza you have your way and I have mine. I have gentle loving dogs that do mind and I have had the long term on dogs for a long time. However with having been said enough is enough as a road also parts and goes seperate ways so this also needs to. There are much more things to talk about other than killing the comments here over and over.

Rita Jean

I agree, however I am not the only one that disagrees with the use of shock collars… and I also have gentle loving companions... you make it out like the rest of us have ill mannered, untrainable Basenjis.... when in fact we have well mannered Basenjis that didn't need to be taught with punishment

[snorky998]

There's a big difference between training a dog with compassion, and breaking his will to do a humans bidding. Just MHO.

No shock collar for me…ever.

[Basenjimamma]

I have never used it, although my hubby was raised with them using it on all their dogs. It was a struggle to not let him use it on our first dogs together and I won..We did have to put an electrical fence on the top of our 8' fence, to keep Lou, our mutt from jumping out…he did it anyway so we turned the current off. He only jumped out to pee and once he was done, he would jump back in...weirdo..He just crossed teh Rainbow Bridge in April...an awesome dog he was. I do have some friends that use them and they say they work great, but I haven't felt the need yet, nor will I.

[Rita Jean]

Electric Fence is 100 times worst than a collar. Our neighbor had one on theres and when they were out of town we would over see the dogs. It was always on low but that hurt and it could burn you. I got into it by accident trying to get the dogs toy after I got hit I knew why the toy was there and he was not. Smart dog stupid human.

Rita Jean

[Basenjimamma]

Yes I know I am a horrible person, aren't you glad you got a jab at me? Luckily Lou was a Golden/Chow/Dalmation mix with lots of fur, so needless to say he didn't feel diddlesquat..he cleared that 8' fence with inches to give, so he wouldn't have felt it anyway…thus is why we turned it off and dismounted it..To each his own.

[Quercus]

@Rita:

Electric Fence is 100 times worst than a collar. Our neighbor had one on theres and when they were out of town we would over see the dogs. It was always on low but that hurt and it could burn you. I got into it by accident trying to get the dogs toy after I got hit I knew why the toy was there and he was not. Smart dog stupid human.

Rita Jean

Actually, I would be WAY more likely to use an invisible fence, or hot wire fence, because the correction is absolutely predictible for the dog, the timing is always perfect because there is no human delivering the correction. Also the dog does not associate the shock with the human, it more like an 'act of god' for the dog. They can still superstitiously make an incorrect association with the shock…but it is less likely because, again, the sequence and timing are absolutely predictible and consistant. Unlike most human trainers.

[Quercus]

@Basenjimamma:

Yes I know I am a horrible person, aren't you glad you got a jab at me? Luckily Lou was a Golden/Chow/Dalmation mix with lots of fur, so needless to say he didn't feel diddlesquat..he cleared that 8' fence with inches to give, so he wouldn't have felt it anyway…thus is why we turned it off and dismounted it..To each his own.

That is CRAZY that a dog would clear an 8' fence just to go pee, he must have had some serious determination!!! I would tear my hair out!