@b5004ever - Black muzzle is not uncommon in Basenjis, it is referred to as "masking". It fades as the pup ages. Usually found in bloodlines that carry the "Tri" gene. That said, look closely at the heads on those dogs. Compare to the heads found on the illustrated standard at www.basenji.org (https://www.basenjihe.org/BasenjiU/Judge/Study/Illustrated-Standard-2012.pdf). There are some unanswered questions if a sire was used that was known to come from a person in the West that crossed Basenjis with Fox Terriers
WAKAN Basenjis
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Has anyone here had any experience with this breeder? I will be getting a pup from here later this month but I was wondering if there were any board users with experience with this particular breeder.
Thanks in Advance!
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Toni is great… you will be getting a super puppy.... congrats... Are you getting on of the TEN puppies from the dual sire litter (sires Nova and Mojo, Dam-Thing)? Or the Micki/Jelly Bean litter?
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Well, to be honest I am not sure. Originally she told us we would be getting a pup from the first litter, the dual sire, but then she asked us to pick a AKC name for a pup from the second litter.
To be honest, I'm thrilled either way. I just hope she's happy and healthy.
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I just visited her website and about that dual sired litter it says:
"5 female and 5 males (WHEW!!!)"
Lol. Love that.
Welcome to the forum and kudos for finding a great breeder.
-Nicki
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I met her at a show and got to talk to some other folks who have her show dogs and they are very pleased. She's a nice lady.
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Yes, Toni is fabulous and very health conscious. You should be getting a top notch puppy!
And I think she'll be happy to get a few off her hands soon! lol
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A dual sire litter? I've never heard of this… why would you use two sires for one litter?
All parents do look great
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A dual sire litter? I've never heard of this… why would you use two sires for one litter?
I'd love to hear what a breeder has to say, because I didn't even realize this is done until I saw this thread. Interesting stuff you learn on this board.
Oh, and to GageGecko…congrats on picking a great breeder...I'm sure your pup will be beautiful! Do you plan on showing?
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There are a few different reasons you might decide to breed a dual sired litter. One reason is that it is the last planned breeding for a bitch and you have two equally suitable sires that you would like puppies from. Another reason for a dual sired litter is that you would really like to use an older stud dog but also want to be sure they have a litter so some use Father and Son. Finally being able to have a dual sired litter means less pregnancies for the bitch so less stress on her.
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I just want to echo what everyone else has said. Toni is great! You will be very happy with your puppy, and Toni as your breeder.
One similar reason I can think of for having a dual sire litter, is a breeder that waited to breed a bitch until there was a Fanconi test; now that she is 'of advanced maternal age'
the breeder can only do one litter, but has been looking at two males that might compliment the bitch well.The big drawback is that the DNA testing for each puppy is EXPENSIVE. So this has to be something that the breeder REALLY wants to do to make it worthwhile.
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…'of advanced maternal age'
Oh gosh, that phrase sends shivers down my spine! I remember hearing it 10 years ago…boy did I feel old...then I went on to have another - 4 years later. I guess I was "of really advanced maternal age"
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The big drawback is that the DNA testing for each puppy is EXPENSIVE. So this has to be something that the breeder REALLY wants to do to make it worthwhile.
The DNA testing is $35 per test which isn't so bad, about the same as microchipping, it is the fee to AKC to register a Dual Sired litter that is is expensive. I don't know if they have changed it but it was really up there, $200 for the litter plus a per puppy fee, when the program first came out.
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The DNA testing is $35 per test which isn't so bad, about the same as microchipping, it is the fee to AKC to register a Dual Sired litter that is is expensive. I don't know if they have changed it but it was really up there, $200 for the litter plus a per puppy fee, when the program first came out.
Oh, okay…that is what I was thinking of, then. Not the testing, the registering. I haven't looked into it, seems to me finding ONE dog to match my bitch is hard enough...trying to coordinate two different breedings would probably send me screaming into the hills
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Oh gosh, that phrase sends shivers down my spine! I remember hearing it 10 years ago…boy did I feel old...then I went on to have another - 4 years later. I guess I was "of really advanced maternal age"
I know…and the docs just throw it around so casually! Luckily my main OB just refused to use it (being at AMA herself!).
I just read a headline that said 'older whales make better mothers' (or something like that) and that made me feel better
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Yeah, I know what you mean. But I do know some people who breed infrequently but have two sires in mind so have considered the dual sired route. I have also heard that the outcomes can be pretty mixed about whether you actually will get pups from both sires.
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I know…and the docs just throw it around so casually! Luckily my main OB just refused to use it (being at AMA herself!).
I just read a headline that said 'older whales make better mothers' (or something like that) and that made me feel better
Ooh! I like that one too! (sorry for the short hijack of the thread)
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Everyone pretty much already covered what I was going to say
I spoke with Toni before I got my boy because I am from Maryland. I ended up going with a breeder in Florida because at the time, that's where I was living. If I were to get another basenji pup though, I would definitely go to Toni. She was so great at answering any/all of my questions & also was very forthcoming about information regarding her dogs & her home. She offered, more than once, for me to come see her dogs while I was back in Maryland for vacation last winter.
