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  • YodelDogsY

    Arlene,
    Were the dates of her breedings Oct 22, 24, and 26?

    Robyn Dubbert

    Sherwood Basenjis

    One thing that I have learned in life is to accept that things are not all black or all white. Life is shades of gray and just because someone sees a different shade of gray than you do, it doesn't mean their shade is right or wrong, its just different. ~ Robyn Dubbert

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  • nomrbddgsN

    I believe so Robyn. She had them today-2 red boys, 1 red girl, and 1 tri girl. Here are pics'

    http://s540.photobucket.com/albums/gg329/shadow_brat/

    Sorry, didn't have time to post them as I have to go to work, but I will later. And I will give more detailed description as well.

    Arlene

    Arlene, the Basenji Brats with the Boxenji![](images/smilies/biggrin.png "Big Grin")

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  • tanzaT

    congrats to Sugar and Arlene (and Robyn as co-breeder), Looks like by the birth times she had a pretty easy time of it…. all done in a little more then a hour!!!!

    Pat Fragassi

    Tanza Basenjis

    www.tanzabasenjis.net

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  • lvossL

    Congrats! I love 4 puppy litters.

    Here are the individual pics of the pups while Arlene is working.

    Tri Girl

    Red Girl

    Red Boy 1

    Red Boy 2

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  • QuercusQ

    Congrats! What a nice color-balanced litter :)

    Andrea Walters

    Quercus Basenjis

    NW Ohio

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  • tanzaT

    Yes, my favorite number too, 4 pups…

    There is a breeder on the East Coast who's bitch just had 10, yes I said 10... Basenji puppies.... DOUBLE AND TRIPLE YIKES!!!!!

    Pat Fragassi

    Tanza Basenjis

    www.tanzabasenjis.net

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  • snorky998S

    Congratulations!! Beautiful, absolutely beautiful.

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  • YodelDogsY

    Woohoo! happy dance What a lovely litter. I can't wait to watch them grow!

    Robyn Dubbert

    Sherwood Basenjis

    One thing that I have learned in life is to accept that things are not all black or all white. Life is shades of gray and just because someone sees a different shade of gray than you do, it doesn't mean their shade is right or wrong, its just different. ~ Robyn Dubbert

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  • KebasmomK

    Congrats on the beautiful pups!

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  • bellabasenjiB

    Congratulations, they look so sweet… born innocent! This too shall pass, LOL, soon they will be cute little beasties and we will still love them anyways!!!

    _**Lisa Lynn ![](images/smilies/smile.png "Smile")

    BRAT Basenji Rescue, &

    Mid-Atlantic Basenji Club**_

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  • K

    Congrats Arlene!!! Glad the waiting is finally over and everyone can relax. Enjoy them now while they're "easy". lol And don't forget to share lots of pics!

    Kelli Harmon

    Kiroja Basenjis

    Southgate, MI USA

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  • JannekeJ

    Congrats!!! Beautiful pups!!! I love the boy! :D

    Tillo's website

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  • BasenjiDivaB

    Congratulations!!!!! Your babies are beautiful!

    Pat

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  • nomrbddgsN

    Thank you everyone. Thank you Lisa for posting the pics, along with my roadkill pics! Aren't they lovely? So here's how it went.

    She started at about 10:50 am with the water, it took her about 15 min to pass it through the canal, and she did break it herself (good girl). I was on tenterhooks as I hadn't done this in about 20 years or so. Sue got there just as the action was starting. Tri girl #1, 8 oz, was very tight. Sugar thrashed a bit, tried to bite (typical, it hurts), but once we got a hand on the puppy and got it over the belly she was okay (all were feet first). While we were cleaning up #1, she was in the box having #2 red girl, 8 oz. then she took a little rest, the puppies nursed a bit, and then we returned to having more puppies. #3 red boy, 9 oz, took a little bit more from her, and then #4 red boy 8 oz. was the final. It went pretty quick. After we tied the cord on the one boy, she went back and chewed it a little closer, should be okay though. She's definitely a cleaner. She pretty much stays with them in the whelping box. They all seem to be nicely marked, but one #4 has a small dot of colour inside his white collar.

    Arlene, the Basenji Brats with the Boxenji![](images/smilies/biggrin.png "Big Grin")

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  • tanzaT

    The most amazing thing that I find with the white, is that it stays the same size… so when you think that you have a blaze on the face... turns out to be nothing but a thin strip or nothing at all.... same with the collar.....

    So that "dot" inside the white collar will get bigger...ggg

    Pat Fragassi

    Tanza Basenjis

    www.tanzabasenjis.net

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  • lvossL

    @nomrbddgs:

    They all seem to be nicely marked, but one #4 has a small dot of colour inside his white collar.

    There are lots of basenjis with spots of color in their collars. Most owners find them endearing. Arubmec's Sweet Spot got his name because of the spot in his collar. Nicky has a large spot of color in his collar, we call it his Georgia Peach.

    I thought the "road kill" pictures were cute.

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  • nomrbddgsN

    I really do like them all. The markings are nice on all of them, pretty uniform for the most part. It will be hard deciding which one to keep. I know the tri girl is gone, but I have some others that wanted a tri as well. I know I wanted a red, but now I don't know boy or girl! His spot is pretty big now in comparison to his size, so I'm not sure if it will get bigger or the white will overtake most of it. The have some pretty interesting faces as well. At the end of the week, I will post pics of them and their faces too.

    Arlene, the Basenji Brats with the Boxenji![](images/smilies/biggrin.png "Big Grin")

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  • tanzaT

    The white stays the same size, the colored spot will get bigger.

    Pat Fragassi

    Tanza Basenjis

    www.tanzabasenjis.net

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  • T

    Congratulations! The wait was worth it!

    Since the tri girl is spoken for, I think my next choice would be the red girl, or maybe the #3 boy… oh, heck, keep them all!!

    Terry

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  • myranM

    Congratulations to your litter well worth waiting for:D
    Aaah which one to choose???Well wait til they?re atleast 8-9 weeks and forget about the markings it?s their anatomy,movement and mentality that will be the most important factors.If their markings aren?t totally of then they are insignificant although I prefer if the white doesn?t go to high on their backleg?s as it gives an illusion of having a long hock( not sure if it?s the correct term) as it should be set quite low but other then that a good judge should disregard markings apart from mismarkings that is.
    Anyway good luck i?m sure that in the end you will make the right choice;)

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    @bigv said in When to consider breeding?: So Taylor.rene . A little bit about my findings over the last 30 years is that every person who breeds dogs calls them self a responsible breeder? "" Yes, and fortunately for about 20 year now, anyone who really wants to verify if the breeder is actually believable can do so. Some breeders have no problem with incest for the sake of a ribbon as (dogs aren't people )..It is all about titles not the betterment of the breed. Being involved with race horses..<< Gosh, where to begin. " Incest" is a morality terminology, applied as everything from just not parent/child and aunt or uncles/nieces and nephews....all the way to 2nd or even 3rd cousins. It has little to do with genetics, hence adopted children count, and everything to do with moral views. That said, the human race is far from universally avoiding what would be called close line breeding or even incest. Isolated communities ...either physically by geographic terrain or socially by groups such Ashkenazi Jews and Romani, have limited gene pools. Ashkenazi Jews, btw, joke we are all no further than 5th cousins, but it is nearly true. Dogs and animals have no such manmade morals. A common propensity for many mammals to not to mate with closely related animals has nothing to do with incest. In limited populations they will mate, and the problems that arise if it occurs too often are due to decreased gene, increased expression of harmful genes etc. In controlled breeding, line breeding, even close, can be used to find if there are harmful recessives, or bring out desired recessives. If you think it isn't done with livestock, including horses, you're mistaken. With knowledgeable breeders who keep up on genetics, it absolutely is for the betterment of the breed, not a ribbon... Yes I am not a fan of line breeding but it seems that every zoo in the world has a similar view as they are always swapping animals to improve the genes . ...<<<<< Again, absolutely nothing to do with incest. Zoo animals, even those of nonendangered species, have a serious issue with limited gene pools. The level of that limitation cannot be compared to most pet breeds. We aren't talking many thousands of individuals, or millions, but sometimes 100 or less. Stud books are kept, for example, on all the polar bears in zoos and the effort to keep the diversification as high as possible is serious. (I'll leave out my views on them being in zoos.) So sure, if dog breeders were faced with THAT level of limited gene pool, line breeding would probably be avoided as much as possible. However, that all ignores the fact that dogs in any breed are mostly related.. If you go back 10 or more generations, you find the same dogs heavily in most lines. Sometimes 2 dogs that aren't related 3 generations back may share more actual genes than a closely related dog who has a lot of breeding out of the line on one side. That's where knowledgeable breeders come in. Having studied dingos for the past 15 years I can say without dought a bitch won't mate with relative... They are similar to basenjis in many ways. ...<< That's nice that you've studied them. But researchers are making new discoveries based on actual observations and finding a lot of what they thought isn't true. With massive interbreeding with domestic dogs, the pure dingos are disappearing. I envy those of you able to see them. However researchers suspect they have ...>>During this a hitherto unknown form of the “pure” dingo was discovered (based on DNA and skull features): a white dog with orange spots on the fur. This variant was considered as a single mutation or the result of interbreeding with an isolated dingo population.<< So they don't rule it out. (I downloaded to read, over 100 pages but you might love it. I'll save for later! https://web.archive.org/details/http://www.invasiveanimals.com/downloads/Final-proceedings-with-cover.pdf ) And my boy does have a title that no other basenji has . He is the first and only basenji to be approved by the Victorian State Goverment to be authorised to hunt deer on private and public land within its borders. But to some this would make him unsuitable to breed with you figure?<<< First, while you have done an impressive job with you dogs, I am pretty sure that is a privilege given, not a "title," and I am 100% certain his being able to would have nothing to do with whether anyone deemed him not worthy of breeding to. With the right health checks, good conformation, etc, I would think a good plus...especially if the bitch owner wanted to possibly enhance hunting ability. It simply isn't enough.
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    You should be good and nuts by week 5! I don't envy you at all, Happy puppies!!
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    Well, while Lisa is enjoying her pups (and yes I am jealous…ggg)... We are still waiting for Mz Kylie to be bred, however today Baily was very insistent that he be able to spend time with her...gggg, so with any luck we will get a breeding today or tomorrow... if so we should be expecting at the end of January
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    @Quercus: <> Right...I wasn't sure if that was the litter that Sue was referring to? But I don't know of her doing any other brother/sister breeding. So yes, Ariel is a product of that breeding. The idea was to do a test breeding to see what genetically, if anything, might be brought out. By doing an inbreeding, you can 'expose' recessive genes, and see what you've actually got. You can also set (as in permanantly set) type...but, that wasn't the goal in Sue/Jeff's breeding. In this case, the two "best" "typey" puppies from this litter will most likely be bred on from, as long as they test out as genetically and physically healthy, they will most likely be out-crossed, to bring in different genes. Ariel's brother, George, is quite stunning, and is easily the best looking puppy in the litter. Ariel has a beautiful head, but is long in body, short in leg. Neither one is what we consider a "show dog" ;) And the litter's sire is quite handsome!.... the dam of the litter, while long in the back and short on leg (like it sounds Ariel is) has a great temperament... both are great to build on the future.... and breeding out from these pups will be great to build on too.... I am pretty sure that would be the breeding Sue was talking about, like you I don't know of any other brother/sister breeding she and Jeff has done.