I'll try to get more pictures - my camera is old and he tends to come to me when he sees it so all the pictures end up blurry.
And I'm still waiting for the "two are easier than one" part 😉
How do you work on training one when the other sees treats being given out or take them for a walk when each wants to go a different (opposite) way? Oh wait, it is easy when they are napping 😃
Waiting for the new pup!
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I didn't post to get a response or validation, I posted in response to a question in this thread asked by dmcarty. She was wondering if it was still common practice to have dewclaws done, and I answered for myself and the breeders in my area that I know.
In response Janneke's post, I described why it is done in the USA and the response I got from the breeders I spoke to.
You are taking offense to posts that are not even directed at you. Even the thyroid comments were someone wondering aloud about something the vet had said to them.
Lisa, I sincerely do apologize to you. What I said to you was inappropriate. I took offense to the "responsible breeder" comment and I know your intention wasn't to point your finger at me. Please accept my apology.
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The thing I don't get is, why the hell is the fourth comment some random question about fanconi? What does that have to do with anything? I thought that was completely out of place…it is such a random question that even if it wasn't meant as an attack I could see how someone could take it that way. I am assuming maybe cause of the third post about how Mya came from a great breeder (I dont know)? Must we REALLY bring up the fanconi question everytime the word breeder is even mentioned? I am afraid it can be overkill to the point where people are gonna start not taking it seriously cause its EVERYWHERE from a select few people, I am afraid they are just gonna start thinking those people are extreme, and that its not a big deal, even though it is not the case. I think a few well placed questions, or some sticky posts, or other things is plenty. I totally agree its a horrible disease, and I understand why you are fighting so hard for it, but I hope you realize that more times than not it seems you are pissing people off and not really getting the effect you are hoping for...its just overkill. I can't even count the amount of members in the last year who have felt attacked or offended by the fanconi question...maybe that should tell us something.
Like I said, I understand its a worthwhile thing to educate about, but come on, in this thread it was totally random. MomofMya was just trying to show off a nice picture, fanconi has NOTHING to do with this...I still dont understand why the question was even asked, it makes no sense. Just completely out of place, and in my opinion, inappropriate. To me, it would be like if I posted a picture of my family online for Christmas or something, and people started asking "do you test for blood pressure regularly? What about cholesterol?" That would just be weird, and of course I would be offended!
All I am saying is lets just think about our comments and how others may take them, and keep the fanconi stuff in its appropriate places...
By the way, beautiful picture of Mya...you should be very proud!
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I am coming in late with this…but fanconis testing questions are something that should be asked and done.
Re dew claws. As a rescue person, that is one way I know the dog who is in rescue came from a non-show breeder.
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That's why I'm asking about dew claws - since I typically work harder to find owner/breeder if I see dew claws removed because I KNOW the puppy mills, and back yard breeders or even less informed breeders around me don't and if I see a dog with dew claws - I don't typically try as hard to see if the breeder wants them back.
IF however more and more reputable breeders are NOT removing dew claws - it is useful information.
re: overweight - god forbid there ever be a picture posted of me
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I also think that if the dog has dew claws, it was not in a show/responsible home.
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re: Fanconi - NO ONE SHOULD EVER HAVE TO UNKNOWINGLY DEAL WITH A FANCONI DOG - NO ONE - NO MATTER WHERE YOUR DOG CAME FROM.
We are passionate about it because we (basenji club members and responsible breeders) have been funding and supporting and trying every thing possible with this horrid disease. We take ownership of it almost as much as if we were doing the tests personally ourselves whether we were actively involved in it or not.
We also are the ones who get the calls from crying owners - who had been told "I don't have any fanconi in my line." when they get the diagnosis for their dog. Seems like giving people the questions to ask up front - is a lot better than people saying that they 'didn't know'.
In advertising - the rule of thumb has always been - in print you have to see something 11 times before it even begins to register. So while you may be on your 15th time - someone else on the list may be on the 1st.
We should have a stickie (or do we and I don't see it) that says: before you buy - tips to know that your breeder is responsible/or not.
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You only have to live with one fanconis basenji to make you rabid on having dogs who are breeding, tested.
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People!! You need to stop stomping on my thread. Remove it!!! This was NOT a thread for FANCONI or ANY OTHER ISSUES! It was a posting to SHOW OFF MY DOG!!! If you want to rant and rave find a different thread. GOD! All you people want to do is sit and point your flippin' fingers.
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If you don't like what people are posting then just don't read it and stop responding to it. Sometimes threads take a turn and the more someone responds the more it will continue in that direction. This is a discussion forum and just like any discussion they occasionally take detours from their original topic.
Relax, ignore what you don't want to read and it will eventually flow back to orginal topic or it will fade as a topic of discussion altogether.
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If you don't like what people are posting then just don't read it and stop responding to it. Sometimes threads take a turn and the more someone responds the more it will continue in that direction. This is a discussion forum and just like any discussion they occasionally take detours from their original topic.
Relax, ignore what you don't want to read and it will eventually flow back to orginal topic or it will fade as a topic of discussion altogether.
Thanks Lisa. Again, I am truly sorry about earlier.
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Debi, are you ok?
You seem to be very reactive to what is going on in this thread…
Not a slam, just a question.
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Debi, are you ok?
You seem to be very reactive to what is going on in this thread…
Not a slam, just a question.
We really are all here to help each other.Geez Sharon, I think I'm okay. I posted on Show Off Your Dog and got a slathering of info that I really didn't need. I realize that this info wasn't for me. But gosh, let me have my day. It's just that does everybody that posts a pic of their Beloved B get this kind of response? I mean, really, fourth post was hoping that Mya's parents were tested for Fanconi. Now, doesn't that seem odd to you? Put a scare into someone that just wanted to show off their dog? Mya's parents were tested. Do I have to scream it to the Basenji Forums so that people (same person mind you) stop "hoping that her parents were tested". I mean, c'mon, I just wanted to share a picture of Mya. I realize what a horrible thing Fanconi is. I'm not trying to demean it - but I was just posting a picture. Then with the dew claws…..Mya's breeders are respectable breeders. Both the dam and the sire are racers. They are not show dogs. I understand why some people would react to the pup still having dew claws but geesh do they have to judge the responsibility of anyone? Some people should just show some respect for others' choices. My belief is not to amputate unless truly necessary. My belief is to make sure that my dogs have regular visits to the vet. Nobody really cares about that though. They're just pushing that they're the best breeders and nobody else that breeds B's gives a damn. That's just not true. I realize that there are bad breeders out there. I realize the importance of stopping the puppy mills. But, by God I made a choice and I'm very happy with that choice.
Uggghhh.....so yes, Sharon, I'm okay for now. I've said my peace.
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Momofmya She's a Cutie
I love when they lay down like that they look like there saying " uhh huh I am royalty now where's my Loving" ??? LOL When are u getting the New puppy ?? augh i miss puppy breath But not the puppy stage training ect lol -
Momofmya She's a Cutie
I love when they lay down like that they look like there saying " uhh huh I am royalty now where's my Loving" ??? LOL When are u getting the New puppy ?? augh i miss puppy breath But not the puppy stage training ect lolThe litter is due in about 7 days. I can barely contain myself. As for the training, I'll stay home for the first week with the pup and my DH will stay home for the second week. So that's two full weeks with undivided attention for him. Sigh….I wish I were a dog.
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The litter is due in about 7 days. I can barely contain myself. As for the training, I'll stay home for the first week with the pup and my DH will stay home for the second week. So that's two full weeks with undivided attention for him. Sigh….I wish I were a dog.
That's great news MomOfMya ! That way we can exchange info and pictures and tales … Me too I'm waiting impatiently for the hamster to arrive (we made a reservation for a puppy in March ...)
BTW I have more luck
... I'm retired since the 1st of September ;).Greetings from Belgium:)
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Geez Sharon, I think I'm okay. I posted on Show Off Your Dog and got a slathering of info that I really didn't need. I realize that this info wasn't for me. But gosh, let me have my day. It's just that does everybody that posts a pic of their Beloved B get this kind of response? I mean, really, fourth post was hoping that Mya's parents were tested for Fanconi. Now, doesn't that seem odd to you? Put a scare into someone that just wanted to show off their dog? Mya's parents were tested. Do I have to scream it to the Basenji Forums so that people (same person mind you) stop "hoping that her parents were tested". I mean, c'mon, I just wanted to share a picture of Mya. I realize what a horrible thing Fanconi is. I'm not trying to demean it - but I was just posting a picture. Then with the dew claws…..Mya's breeders are respectable breeders. Both the dam and the sire are racers. They are not show dogs. I understand why some people would react to the pup still having dew claws but geesh do they have to judge the responsibility of anyone? Some people should just show some respect for others' choices. My belief is not to amputate unless truly necessary. My belief is to make sure that my dogs have regular visits to the vet. Nobody really cares about that though. They're just pushing that they're the best breeders and nobody else that breeds B's gives a damn. That's just not true. I realize that there are bad breeders out there. I realize the importance of stopping the puppy mills. But, by God I made a choice and I'm very happy with that choice.
Uggghhh.....so yes, Sharon, I'm okay for now. I've said my peace.
I guess I thought the fanconi questions were in response to your new addition. But since the new addition came from the same breeder ….And if the breeder does not test you could potentially have 2 fanconi dogs. That is how I took it. I think it just kind of escalated and got out of control from there--on everyones part.
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MomOfMya, the picture is adorable. Thank you for sharing.
Good luck with a new pup:). After my Katie, I think I've sworn off Basenji puppies for the rest of my life:D. To rip off a song line from 'Theory of a Deadman', Katie was a "bad, bad, girl(friend)". I'm too old now for those Basenji puppy antics!!
Keep us posted on the status of a possible new family member.
Dawn
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Mya is lovely! I can't wait to see pictures of your new puppy.
RE dew claws both my dogs including the B have them. I have not found this to be problematic. and my dogs are very active. My sisters dog, had two sets of dew claws and one of them was very loose and poorly attached, so we had the extra set removed when he was nuetered. He still retains one set and has never had problems with them. I know that dogs can have dewclaw problems, but most dog owners I know have dogs with intact dc and their dogs don't have problems. I guess to me it seems like removing the appendix on a baby because it can cause people problems potentially. Now I'm not going to say that breeders should not have dewclaws removed its pretty common practice. But to me it's not a mark of irrisponsibility to leave them on. To me a breeder who health tests, only breeds dogs of sound temperment, takes back their dogs at any time, and sells puppies with spay/nueter contracts is responsible. I did read that in the B standard about dewclaws and I remmember being suprised….The reason of a standard is to describe the perfect example of a functional specimen of a breed. The features set out in the standard that set the breed apart dictate...in theory...define its ability to do what it was bred to do. Basenjis in Africa don't have dewclaws removed and they function just fine...so how can it be incorrect then to have them? I believe someone also reminded me though the other day that there are no disqualifications in the basenji standard.For that matter how can anyone who overlooks umbilical hernias as no big deal, make such a fuss about something a dog is suppossed to have? I am probably treading into dangerous territatory here...I am not trying to insult anyones breeding practices...I am not a breeder. I am just trying to understand where everyone is coming from on this. Clearly I don't understand some things that seem to constitute responsible and irrisponsibe breeding. I don't expect anyone to answer...poor Mya's Mom's thread has been hijacked enough. I wish that someone would be able to send me a private message regarding it but since that is not possible ...I guess my question should just be considered retorical. additional I know nothing about Kiora's breeders, but I do know that she has her dewclaws and she is clear for Fanconi.(She is in the OFA database if anyone cares to look.) One of those facts is very important to me, and the other one, isn't.
