Agree with Debra: apart from any medical issues, it looks like he is protecting the new life. Cute as it may be, it's not his job. Your husband should step up to the plate and take first position in a clear way. All the best!
Training Advice, Please help
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Well stated Comic/Jason. Thank you for the follow up as well.
This "pack" is far reaching and well intentioned. Hopefully those that are willing to learn, will continue to read and research our wonderful breed. I have learned soooo much from all of you. I have not always agreed at first with some posts, but I kept an open mind. Health questions–-I'll ALWAY listen to the more experienced B owners. Someone here says to find a vet immediately, I will be in the car within 5 minutes.
Thanks again, Comic
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- You do not hit a dog it will not respect you only fear and mistrust you.
2)If you can´t afford insurance to cover vet bills and other incidents in life then you should not have a dog. - A dog who get´s enough excercise and stimulation will not wreck your house ok there may be accidents whilst growing up but house should be puppy proofed as you do when you have child.
I can count on my 5 fingers what my dog´s have ruined and I do not keep them crated not even when I leave the house although the time their left alone is not more then 2-3 hrs a week.
And you should listen to the advice you´re given especially regarding the birth of puppies that was a total botch job on your part.
- You do not hit a dog it will not respect you only fear and mistrust you.
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This is why breeding a dog should not be taken as just no big deal.
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Reading both this thread and the other thread on this topic makes me honestly want to leave this site entirely.
I know tempers run hot, and everyone is very impassioned, but could you take a deep breath and put yourself in his shoes? He has obviously had a hard time of it….I know the pup did, too, but honestly, is antagonizing him like that really going to do any good?
But, by all means, keep telling him what he should have done. I'm sure that is very useful at this stage of the game.
While you are at it, why don't you let us know when you make a mistake, do something wrong, make the wrong decision, and we can all throw stones at you?
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Robin and Jack, this family failed the bitch and puppies they could have had.
They didn't do their homework, they didn't get her checked out and they let these puppies die.
Awful…yes, but please, who is the one who have control of the dogs under our care...WE Do and not doing right is not ACCEPTABLE.
YOU do right by your dogs or you give them up.
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Sigh.
All I am saying is that the antagonistic attitude isn't helping.
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Sigh.
All I am saying is that the antagonistic attitude isn't helping.
While that might be the case… sometimes people need to step up to the plate.. and in this case this is not the case....
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Geez-
Reading both this thread and the other thread on this topic makes me honestly want to leave this site entirely.
I know tempers run hot, and everyone is very impassioned, but could you take a deep breath and put yourself in his shoes? He has obviously had a hard time of it….I know the pup did, too, but honestly, is antagonizing him like that really going to do any good?
But, by all means, keep telling him what he should have done. I'm sure that is very useful at this stage of the game.
While you are at it, why don't you let us know when you make a mistake, do something wrong, make the wrong decision, and we can all throw stones at you?
You can throw all the stones at me that you want. I have no problem with that. What I do have is a problem with the health safety and welfare of the animals involved. Maybe you missed the fact that this guy attempted to mislead many people and just happened to get caught. As a result two innocent puppies are dead and the mother's health was put at risk! _To this day, we are unaware of whether or not the mother in question has received the proper follow up Vet Care!
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Your comments certainly make me wonder where your priorities are. Do you care about what happened to the animals? Were you disturbed or outraged at the situation? If so then where is your post in regard to that?Usually this is what happens when there is lots of drama created. From my experience Drama is usually created by people who thrive on the attention from others. When Drama like what happened here occurs, it causes people like me who care about animals to start getting curious as to what is really going on. Then people like me start looking further into the situation in an attempt to find the truth.
In my opinion, saying that these two posts want to make you leave the site is your attempt to create more drama. Apparently you are not disturbed by what happened, and only care whether or not the posts were antagonistic. This makes me wonder what value you put on the care of your dog or any other animals life. Or maybe if it just not about you or your dog, it just does not matter!
I think if I was out of line, I would have been called on it by the moderator and by a host of others who post. Since that did not happen,then maybe that is a good indication of whether the posts were antagonistic or not!
Jason
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Peace. I'm out.
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Peace. I'm out.
Which is fine.. but the point was that this person was and did admit to hitting his dogs… in a training method... and many of us were just trying to point out that this was not a good way of dealing with these types of problems...
Basenji "eat" clothes... underwear... for sure... and regardless of the age... you all might think that once they age this behavior stops.. I can tell you it doesn't and you need to remember that clothes left laying around will be the next thing eaten.... and regardless of the amout of training you try.... this is one of the things that instead of thinking "I can train them not to eat clothes" that "I need to remember to pick up after myself" is the better course of action....
No different then having children and leaving things around for them to "get into" like booze... pills... etc.... if you put them away.. the temptatation is not there.
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Your comments certainly make me wonder where your priorities are. Do you care about what happened to the animals? Were you disturbed or outraged at the situation? If so then where is your post in regard to that?
Usually this is what happens when there is lots of drama created. From my experience Drama is usually created by people who thrive on the attention from others. When Drama like what happened here occurs, it causes people like me who care about animals to start getting curious as to what is really going on. Then people like me start looking further into the situation in an attempt to find the truth.
In my opinion, saying that these two posts want to make you leave the site is your attempt to create more drama. Apparently you are not disturbed by what happened, and only care whether or not the posts were antagonistic. This makes me wonder what value you put on the care of your dog or any other animals life. Or maybe if it just not about you or your dog, it just does not matter!
I think if I was out of line, I would have been called on it by the moderator and by a host of others who post. Since that did not happen,then maybe that is a good indication of whether the posts were antagonistic or not!
Jason
Hey Jason, just because people didn't write in response to your post disagreeing with what you wrote DOESN'T MEAN THEY AGREE WITH YOU and your approach. You are very argumentative and I am guessing many didn't want to get into it with you. I know that is the reason I didn't write anything.
Personally, I agree 100% with Robin n Jack. And now that I am writing in response, here's what I was thinking when I read your post…WHO THE HECK ARE YOU to call a vet hospital to find out about their services to rat someone out to a bunch of people that you don't know, that this guy doesn't know. You aren't the authority on basenjis, vet care, or anything that I can see...but I do think you are a bully. You're in the learning phase about these dogs...just like many of us...but you seem to have forgotten that.
Yes I find the whole situation of Porthos' bitch getting pregnant and the resulting birth disturbing. But, just because the person doesn't respond back to argumentative posts about how they took care of their pet, doesn't mean he didn't take her to the vet. You don't know that any more than the rest of us do.
And just because someone doesn't agree WITH YOUR APPROACH, does not mean they don't care about the health and welfare of the pet or their own pet.
Funny about the drama bit...so someone calls you out and says that this thread really makes them want to leave the forum...and you say they are creating drama. AND YOU'RE NOT CREATING DRAMA? AT ALL?
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Geez-
Reading both this thread and the other thread on this topic makes me honestly want to leave this site entirely.
I know tempers run hot, and everyone is very impassioned, but could you take a deep breath and put yourself in his shoes? He has obviously had a hard time of it….I know the pup did, too, but honestly, is antagonizing him like that really going to do any good?
But, by all means, keep telling him what he should have done. I'm sure that is very useful at this stage of the game.
While you are at it, why don't you let us know when you make a mistake, do something wrong, make the wrong decision, and we can all throw stones at you?
I have to agree with you Robin 'n Jack. I find the site rather testy and far too many know-it-alls. I had hoped to find a forum that was informative and supportive, but I think I missed the boat.
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Hey Jason, just because people didn't write in response to your post disagreeing with what you wrote DOESN'T MEAN THEY AGREE WITH YOU and your approach. You are very argumentative and I am guessing many didn't want to get into it with you. I know that is the reason I didn't write anything.
Personally, I agree 100% with Robin n Jack. And now that I am writing in response, here's what I was thinking when I read your post…WHO THE HECK ARE YOU to call a vet hospital to find out about their services to rat someone out to a bunch of people that you don't know, that this guy doesn't know. You aren't the authority on basenjis, vet care, or anything that I can see...but I do think you are a bully. You're in the learning phase about these dogs...just like many of us...but you seem to have forgotten that.
Yes I find the whole situation of Porthos' bitch getting pregnant and the resulting birth disturbing. But, just because the person doesn't respond back to argumentative posts about how they took care of their pet, doesn't mean he didn't take her to the vet. You don't know that any more than the rest of us do.
And just because someone doesn't agree WITH YOUR APPROACH, does not mean they don't care about the health and welfare of the pet or their own pet.
Funny about the drama bit...so someone calls you out and says that this thread really makes them want to leave the forum...and you say they are creating drama. AND YOU'RE NOT CREATING DRAMA? AT ALL?
Very well said.
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Hey Jason, just because people didn't write in response to your post disagreeing with what you wrote DOESN'T MEAN THEY AGREE WITH YOU and your approach. You are very argumentative and I am guessing many didn't want to get into it with you. I know that is the reason I didn't write anything.
**I did not ask anyone to agree with me. I also did not ask anyone to agree with my approach. If stating the obvious about proper health care for the Basenji Mother and litter, as well as the concern over the animal abuse makes me a bully then I will own that badge with pride.
You can use me or any other excuse for not posting and being outraged by the lack of care for the Mother and the Two dead puppies if you need to. You can also use my approach or any other excuse for not being outraged by the other poster admitting in his post that he hit his dog (and has punched his dog in the nose). Yep, posting because it bothered me in both situations that animals were the ones that suffered makes me argumentative and a bully.**
Personally, I agree 100% with Robin n Jack. And now that I am writing in response, here's what I was thinking when I read your post…WHO THE HECK ARE YOU to call a vet hospital to find out about their services to rat someone out to a bunch of people that you don't know, that this guy doesn't know. You aren't the authority on basenjis, vet care, or anything that I can see...but I do think you are a bully. You're in the learning phase about these dogs...just like many of us...but you seem to have forgotten that.
[[B]COLOR="DarkRed"]You certainly have the right to agree with Robin n Jack. I have no issue with that. Now for your question about "WHO THE HECK ARE YOU" I am a normal person that cares about animals in general. I care about animals getting proper Heath Care when needed, I care about animals who are being Abused. I have the right to care just like anyone else. I also have the right to call and investigate anything anyone tells me to find out if they are telling the Truth or not. Apparently it bothers you that I found out the truth in regard to the Vet Care available on the base.
It appears to me you are more upset because I posted factual information in my post then the fact that the other poster was exposed. If this was a 3 year old child that had been raped or had its nose broken by a parent wouldn't you be outraged and take some action? Abuse is Abuse, Neglect is Neglect.
While I may be in the learning phase with Basenji's (which has nothing to do with anything), this is not my first dog or my first experience. I do not have to own a horse to notice if an owner is starving it, or if the owner or someone else is beating it. I guess it would also make me argumentative or a bully if I spoke up in that situation as well.
Yes I find the whole situation of Porthos' bitch getting pregnant and the resulting birth disturbing. But, just because the person doesn't respond back to argumentative posts about how they took care of their pet, doesn't mean he didn't take her to the vet. You don't know that any more than the rest of us do.
And just because someone doesn't agree WITH YOUR APPROACH, does not mean they don't care about the health and welfare of the pet or their own pet.
If really do find the situation disturbing then did you post to Porthos in regard to it? Did you see me ask you or anyone else to respond or agree to my post? When the Portho's situation came up on the chat board, what steps did you take? Yet here you are posting more about how I responded and the steps I took to investigate to find the truth instead of using your energy to help the animals in question.
Excuse me, yes I did know a little more than you because I investigated Portho's claim about what services were provided. I also am former military and I have lived on military bases. You and others learned that there actually was an X-ray machine in the Vet clinic, and services were available because of my call. You also learned because of that call that Portho's misled others in the forum intentionally.
Funny about the drama bit…so someone calls you out and says that this thread really makes them want to leave the forum...and you say they are creating drama. AND YOU'RE NOT CREATING DRAMA? AT ALL?
**Yeah its funny about drama. I made my posts and then left them alone. I spoke up in regard to Proper Health Care and Animal Abuse! The only responses to my post were complaints in regard to my approach in post and whats even more funny, your major complaint is your disagreement about exposing someone who has openly lied to the forum about the health, safety, and welfare of his animals.
I am just curious about how much abuse or neglect has to be exposed for that to bother you more than my delivery method?
I did not see Robin n Jack say they wanted to leave the forum because they felt sorry for the dead puppies, or the possible infection the mother might die from that could follow. I did not see Robin n Jack say they wanted to leave the forum because Portho's admitted to hitting his dog or punching it in the nose. Did you?
My post about Drama was not directed at anyone by name or in particular. Maybe there is a reason they took it personally. Maybe there is some truth in it.
No, I am not creating Drama, but I can assure you I am well aware of the time and effort I am wasting responding to it, and shame on me for doing that. If you or Robin n Jack or anyone else does not like my approach or my posts then you have an option. Use some self control and do not read them or respond to them. I think there is an ignore function in the forum as well.
Jason
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I have always believed that as responsible and compassionate human beings, it is our job to protect and defend those who cannot for themselves. This requires us to speak up when necessary, and urge others vehemently to do the right thing.
This is the very definition of an advocate.
Thanks Comic, for being an advocate for Basenjis!
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I have always believed that as responsible and compassionate human beings, it is our job to protect and defend those who cannot for themselves. This requires us to speak up when necessary, and urge others vehemently to do the right thing.
This is the very definition of an advocate.
Thanks Comic, for being an advocate for Basenjis!
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Jason,
I really don't have anything better to say than Eski has here. I do understand how others may perceive your posts as off putting, however I want to make it clear that IMO what you post comes from the heart and from your love of animals, and I thank you for that place in your heart that cares enough to speak up. The tone may be harsh, but there are situations where that is important. Please know that if I agree with your wording or not, I still respect and thank you for the intent behind it.
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+1 Jason,
I really don't have anything better to say than Eski has here. I do understand how others may perceive your posts as off putting, however I want to make it clear that IMO what you post comes from the heart and from your love of animals, and I thank you for that place in your heart that cares enough to speak up. The tone may be harsh, but there are situations where that is important. Please know that if I agree with your wording or not, I still respect and thank you for the intent behind it.
+2, Jason, Eski, and WWSD
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I think that for the most part this forum is a supportive community of basenji lovers. I also think that when someone posts something like was posted in this thread and the In Heat? thread it is an appropriate response to research the situation and call the person on outright lies. The person made the statement that they did not hit their dogs even though on two previous occassions in the same thread they stated they did hit their dogs but it was only effective in changing the behavior of one of them. The person made the comment that they didn't take the dog to the vet because the vet did not offer the services neccessary and there was no other vet nearby. ComicDom1 found that a little hard to believe having served in the military and being familiar with the services usually offered. He researched the situation and found that the veterinarian on base that the poster referred to did, in fact, have teh neccesary equipment and does offer those services. I do think that this pattern of telling lies effects what others may want to give as advice and it was appropriate to make it public. All of the information was verifiable by publicly available resources.
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I also think Jason did the correct thing by caring for the dogs interests.
These lovely critters can't take care of themselves and when vet imo emergency happens, they are at the mercy of the humans in the house.
We all need to put back a little $$ for these type of issues with our dogs.
Be it birthing issues, or just general illness.
Myself, I have one credit card I keep clear just for vet use.
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If you or Robin n Jack or anyone else does not like my approach or my posts then you have an option. Use some self control and do not read them or respond to them. I think there is an ignore function in the forum as well.
Jason
This is a public forum. People have a right to post their opinions without being told they don't care about their own pets or neglect/abuse because they don't agree with you or behave like you.
Regarding your quote above…I have one more option...to respond and say what I think...you're not the only one with a voice here. Last time I checked, you aren't any sort of authority around this place.
Oh, and don't assume for one minute that you know all there is to know about someone, their life, etc., by the small snippets they post on this forum.
I wonder if your own life would hold up to the same scrutiny that you seem to put others thru...?That's all I have left to say on this thread.
