and I love the picture of your babies. I love the independent nature of a shiba inu too as much as I do a Basenji.
I think there will always be a concern about fanconi, but this was a good day.
Titers Testing
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You can always see about making your own shipping arrangements and send blood to Dr Dodd's lab. Her price list is on the web at
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Great idea Lisa! Thanks - I now have some prices too!
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I just looked at that price list and I couldn't believe her heartworm test was $15!! I was quoted $42 at my vet. I know he's not a cheap vet but he's familiar with basenjis. I really like the vet himself. But come on. That's ridiculous. They test it themselves there at the vet hospital and the results come back in 10-15 minutes. Could that be why it's so much more expensive? Thoughts? Should I have them draw blood during Zip's exam next week and send it in?
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Thank you for the affirmation here, MauiGirl - I got prices from the vet a few days ago - they would, as lvoss indicated send them thru their lab to another lab - prices as follows:
Distemper-parvo-corona = $40.75
Lepto = $49
Hepatitus= $51.25
Parainfluenza = $51.25
Bordetella = $26.75
Rabies = $86.75Seriously - do all of these? What's really necessary - Pay the total amount - which is a fortune with these fees in total. If I sent them off myself - I believe it would be less - after the vet spinned the blood (kwim) then I'd pay for the transport.
What Titer tests are necessary, how much annually - I'm trying to justify doing these vs. the cost of the shots.
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Thank you for the affirmation here, MauiGirl - I got prices from the vet a few days ago - they would, as lvoss indicated send them thru their lab to another lab - prices as follows:
Distemper-parvo-corona = $40.75
Lepto = $49
Hepatitus= $51.25
Parainfluenza = $51.25
Bordetella = $26.75
Rabies = $86.75Seriously - do all of these? What's really necessary - Pay the total amount - which is a fortune with these fees in total. If I sent them off myself - I believe it would be less - after the vet spinned the blood (kwim) then I'd pay for the transport.
What Titer tests are necessary, how much annually - I'm trying to justify doing these vs. the cost of the shots.
Well, here is my opinion…. don't bother with rabies, you have to give that by law... Lepto, I do not give it or Bordetella, and if you do give Bordetella (as if you board your dog or go to a doggy day care, I believe it would be required annually regardless, so I would not bother with that either. I don't give Corona either, but looks like that is included in the titer test. Did you check out the prices on Dr. Dodds site? Hemopet? To me the most important is Distemper and Parvo.
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I just took Chey in for her titers and heartworm test. I paid 90.62 for the Distemper/Parvo titer and 46.50 for her heartworm test.
My vet doesn't vaccinate for Lepto anymore and I can't remember any of my 3 now getting a Corona.Personally, I prefer to pay for the titers then take the risk of over-vaccinating the dogs.
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My vet charges me about $5.00 more for the blood titer than the shots.
That sure works for me.
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We usually pay bout $50 or $60 for the titer, and heartworm is $35 (average in our area). I figure I don't go to the vet often (fortunately), and I buy my Heartguard and Advantage on-line, so vets have to make a profit or go out of business.
I will be going to a new vet this year for physicals. When we had Topper there a couple of months ago, and I told him I didn't like to do shots, but to titer, & he was hesitant. But I know he will work with me and draw blood for me to ship off, if I need to, so thanks for Dr. Dodds website!We do the rabies ever 3 years, of course, but miner haven't had shots in over 4 years, the titers are always high.
Anne in Tampa
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Thanks for sharing and advice. Hepititus and Parainfluenza titers are not necessary? If not, then I'll let the vet just do the Distemper-Parvo-Corona test and hope for the best results. As far as Bordetella, I take them to a groomer about 3 times a year - does that constitute a "day care"? My vet only has the Bordetella shots - not intranasal. Vet tech said giving intranasal is a struggle that they get what they need for it to be effective - does anyone have that problem?
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Well, groomers get all types of dogs and I would bet that many are not vaccinated at all… so you might be safer with the Bordetella... of course there are so many different strains ... that the intranasal or injections only cover a couple of them... works out to 6 of 1, half dozen of the other... Vets or Techs that are very good at nasel usually don't have a problem with the dose... but I will agree it is not the easiest to give.
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OK - we're back from vet's office.
Daisy got heartworm test $24 and DHLPP-C vaccination $24.
Duke got heartworm test $24 and Distemper/Parvovirus Titer $60
They got Daisy's blood from her front leg, but they took Duke to a different room and got blood from the neck juggular. Said they needed to take 4 cc's for the titer. Is that normal procedure? I realize I paid way more to titer than for the vaccination - but think if it's healthier than to over-vaccinate - I'll do it. Vet's office wouldn't let me take the blood to send out to Dr. Dodds - her fee is $36, so figuring that by the time I paid vet for the blood, ship it and pay Dr. Dodd - it'll end up being $60…Vet said it'll take 3-4 days for test results.
We skipped bordetella - My kids aren't at the groomers long enough so few times a year...
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OK - we're back from vet's office.
Daisy got heartworm test $24 and DHLPP-C vaccination $24.
Duke got heartworm test $24 and Distemper/Parvovirus Titer $60
They got Daisy's blood from her front leg, but they took Duke to a different room and got blood from the neck juggular. Said they needed to take 4 cc's for the titer. Is that normal procedure? I realize I paid way more to titer than for the vaccination - but think if it's healthier than to over-vaccinate - I'll do it. Vet's office wouldn't let me take the blood to send out to Dr. Dodds - her fee is $36, so figuring that by the time I paid vet for the blood, ship it and pay Dr. Dodd - it'll end up being $60…Vet said it'll take 3-4 days for test results.
We skipped bordetella - My kids aren't at the groomers long enough so few times a year...
I think on Dr. Dodds site it says how much blood is needed for the Titer…
And just curious?... How come for Daisy you gave Lepto and Corona?
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She got the whole sh'bang because they said the shot is pre-mixed. So at that veterinarians office, they don't have the option of selecting between the DHLPP - it's an all-in-one script. Have you ever heard that? For me - I never questioned the vet, relying on them to do right for my dogs. But in reading about the titers tests, I'm becoming more involved. This was her first adult vaccination - so between now and the next annual check-up - I'll do some re-thinking/research for another vet. I did however, delay her 3yr rabies two weeks from now.
Oh yeah - Dr. Dodds needs 1 ml of separated serum - so I don't know how many "cc's" they need to get 1 ml of the separated (spinned) serum. Does anyone?
Both, Duke & Daisy are doing well. They're happy going outside, but when inside - quickly find a place to snooze.
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Corona should have been a separate vaccine so no reason to give it and Lepto is in a separate liquid carrier solution so they can just rehydrate the DHPP with saline solution to avoid the lepto part of the vaccine.
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Corona should have been a separate vaccine so no reason to give it and Lepto is in a separate liquid carrier solution so they can just rehydrate the DHPP with saline solution to avoid the lepto part of the vaccine.
hmmm - makes me think they say what they want me to know. :mad: The vet bill lists -C as opposed to +C on the end of DHLPP. I should contact them and ask if she did or didn't get the Corona. Other than that, they said it's a pre-mixed group of vaccine - so felt I had no choice if I wanted specifically Distemper and Parvo. Gosh - this is a "pia"!
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The DHPP part of the vaccine are premixed. The L part of the shot is in a liquid suspension and is not mixed until the time of injection. So the vet can use sterile saline instead of the liquid suspension with the Lepto when administering the shot. This is what my vet does since I do not want the lepto portion of the vaccine. It is not a big deal but I do always remind them when I make the appointment and again before the shot because if they pre-mix before I arrive sometimes the tech will accidently add the lepto and then they have to mix a new one.
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With all my dogs B or otherwise I have always done the DHPP shot. Where we are in the Pacific NW the risk of Leptopirosis is low enough to not worry with vacination. I have never vaccinated against Corona Virus as it is more an issue for puppies (Transmited by microorganisms in water),just always kept the puppies away from shared water wiht other dogs. I get the Bordatella once a year for my two now, as they both go to doggy daycare. I really prefer the intranasal vaccine as it mimmics the entry point for Bordatella. The first intranasal can be a bit difficult the first time, but my vet always gives the kids just a little bit of string cheese right after. so now Charlie really doesn't mind as he knows he will get a treat out of it, Zaire even did well on her last Bordatella (Then looked right at the vet like "Well I was a good girl, you better have ALOT of cheese for me). :P…..again I would urge you to find a vet that has the Intranasal for Bordatella if you are going to give it, I think it is a more effective Vaccination...of couse that is just MO.
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I called the vet office today to ask for Duke's titer test results. They had to call me back and all the gal said was "It looks good." What else should I know about the results? I'm taking Daisy on Thursday for her rabies vaccine - I'll ask for a copy of the test result so I can keep it in his folder for reference.
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I got a copy of Duke's titer tests for Distemper and Parvovirus. All the results indicate is that for both: Greater Than 1:5
A titer of 1:5 or greater, with no clinical signs, indicates immunologic response to vaccination. A titer of less than 1:5 indicates poor immunologic response to vaccination.
When I took Daisy back last week for her rabies, I saw a different younger vet that is current with the vaccination concerns and has no problem with testing for titers. I asked her if a titer is necessary for the Hepatitus and Parainfluenza. She indicated that both diseases are rare and for the fact D&D have been vaccinated. She advised that the DHPP shot should be given on a 3 year interval since the titer tests were fine. She said her own mom doesn't give her animals annual vaccinations either for the same concerns I have.
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Excellent!
No need to give shots when none are needed.
The younger vets "get it" and some of the smarter older ones do as well.
Other, well, they need to get on board.
Hugs for the good results!
