This video ticks me off

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  • Robin_n_JackR

    I saw that video not too long ago, and was a little disturbed as well. Jack will still nip when he is playing (something we are working on) but I have only once seen him growl, and that was when someone he didn't know came up to the car and looked in the window while I was sitting inside with him.

    I can't imagine what that guy must have done to him to give him that attitude.

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  • MomOfMyaM

    I'm too afraid to even watch it. It's probably just another reason why every once in awhile we tell little miss Mya (like she can really understand) why she's so fortunate that she has such a great home and loving family.

    Living Life To The Fullest…..Debi

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  • VanessaV

    Im sorry but that video offends me. Who in their right can someone do that to a dog and then brag about it by making a video of that nature! That is not funny. Not funny at all. To be quite honest….I wish the dog would of bit him right in the face! He deserved it. That poor dog. He is just taunting him like a stupid kid!!!!
    GgGGGRRRRRRRR

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  • PorthosP

    I'm glad to see that I wasn't just overreacting to this and it does make other just as angry…

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  • setidogS

    Wow, my husband and I must have a warped sense of humor because we've always thought this video was hilarious.

    It seems as if the dog is showing off for the camera, which would not be unusual for a basenji.

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  • DiegosMomD

    I thought it was funny at first because it was all joking and fun, but once he started aggitaiting the dog and making him snap it got really annoying and not funny anymore..

    Sarah

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  • PorthosP

    @DiegosMom:

    I thought it was funny at first because it was all joking and fun, but once he started aggitaiting the dog and making him snap it got really annoying and not funny anymore..

    That's the way I feel too… Like I said, I can get my girl upset and growling at me by teasing her with "bath time" but I feel that this guy took it too far...

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  • VanessaV

    @Porthos:

    That's the way I feel too… Like I said, I can get my girl upset and growling at me by teasing her with "bath time" but I feel that this guy took it too far...

    Yeah,
    If I creep up to our boy and put my hands out like I am going to pick him up and say "crate" he freaks! Its just the way you approach him. You can't creep up to him with your hands out like Frankenstein. His mohawk goes up and he gets agro.

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  • agilebasenjiA

    Poor dog! He keeps saying "Back off, please go away, leave me alone, back off, you're upsetting me" and the owner keeps pushing the pup.

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  • setidogS

    Here is the guy's description of his video on YouTube:
    "A bite filled dangerous look at my ex-girlfriends crazy dog Niles and his sister Lulu"…

    Since the dogs belong to the ex maybe you can rest assured that he's not hanging around them anymore!

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  • BDawgB

    Okay, I found this a little humerous. Sorry. The guy is obviously trying to imitate Steve Irwin. And if you notice, he is gentle with the dog the entire time– gentle and slow hand movements, calm voice. We can't pretend to know what the circumstances were-- maybe the B came from an abusive home. Maybe he just doesn't like to be moved (my guess). He's obviously a loved dog- the guy dresses him up in little tuxes and takes pictures.

    We rescued one of our dogs from the pound. We don't know anything about his past. But I do know that he will make a similar noise as the dog in the video if you try to pick him up. He knows you're going to snuggle with him and strach his belly- which he loves-- but he'll still make the noise anyway. It's really weird -- but he never tries to bite us.

    I don't know- I didn't think it was THAT bad.

    Miles & Lexi's Mom

    www.stelladot.com/barrick

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  • AlexA

    It's not that bad and I also found a little funny in the beggining of the video, until the dog tried to bite his face. It started well and ended in a disappointment. I think I can probably get Chance aggravated like that, but it would take a lot of teasing and pushing his buttons.

    We don't know where this dog came from, but he obviousely does not like to be told that he is staying at home…

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  • BDawgB

    Well… when an animal warns you-- you should really take precautions. But it's not like the guy was poking him or pulling his ears or tail though. He was slowly touching his back.

    It's my opinion that the Basenji needs to learn some social skills. It's not okay for a dog to have that strong of a reaction to gentle touches and a calm voice. The guy was doing the same thing to the TRI and we're not upset with him for that.

    Miles & Lexi's Mom

    www.stelladot.com/barrick

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  • AlexA

    Yes, it's weird. I would not encourage that behaivour though by petting him. Eventually the dog will really bite his face.

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  • QuercusQ

    @BDawg:

    Well… when an animal warns you-- you should really take precautions. But it's not like the guy was poking him or pulling his ears or tail though. He was slowly touching his back.

    It's my opinion that the Basenji needs to learn some social skills. It's not okay for a dog to have that strong of a reaction to gentle touches and a calm voice. The guy was doing the same thing to the TRI and we're not upset with him for that.

    Fine…dog needs to learn some skills...but do you honestly think that harrassing the dog into reacting is the way to do it? He is encouraging the dog to practice a behavior that nobody in their right mind wants to see their dog doing...

    I didn't find anything remotely funny about it. If it was a child and someone was provoking him into that kind of anger we would call it abuse. And then to film it, and put it out there as a joke...yuck!

    Andrea Walters

    Quercus Basenjis

    NW Ohio

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  • AlexA

    The guy who made this video must be really happy now, our whole BF community is talking about him. Maybe he will see the referalls in his youtube account from this forum thread and come here to explain.

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  • DiegosMomD

    If anyone cares, this is a comment the guy left on his youtube wall for this video, "Niles is a happy but crazy dog. He seems more mad than he is. If I stop and move away, he comes over and starts at it again. I really am not abusing him, promise!"

    Sarah

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  • BDawgB

    Querc… I just don't feel like the guy was harassing him. You should be able to touch and talk to your dog without him wigging out. As I stated before, he wasn't provoking him by pulling on him or doing anything inappropriate. The dog has an inappropriate response.

    DiegosMOm- that's an interesting comment. Makes it seem a little like how my rescue acts... he loves us and loves his belly rubbed, but if you pick him up and expose his belly, he makes the noise. And it too sounds worse than it is.

    Miles & Lexi's Mom

    www.stelladot.com/barrick

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  • QuercusQ

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    Andrea Walters

    Quercus Basenjis

    NW Ohio

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  • PorthosP

    Well, I didn't mean to cause any arguments… Everyone has had some very good points. I agree with all of you, but something about it still bothers me.

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    PERMISSION GRANTED TO CROSS-POST THIS MESSAGE. In response to questions about Lyme disease in dogs and the Lyme vaccine, I would like to share the advice that Dr. Ronald Schultz, Chair of Pathobiological Sciences at the University of Wisconsin School of Veterinary Medicine gave me for my 2 dogs, who both receive(d) (one died in July from a mast cell tumor which developed at a rabies vaccination site) 100+ tick bites a summer. I was concerned after having contracted Lyme twice myself; however, none of the dogs we have had over 30 years were ever vaccinated against Lyme or ever contracted the disease. After getting it myself, I was reconsidering. Dr. Schultz advised me that there was far more risk associated with the Lyme vaccine than there was with antibiotics to treat the disease if one or both dogs contracted Lyme. He further explained that if they tested positive for Lyme, but displayed no symptoms, then not to treat them with antibiotics because it indicated that they had been exposed to the disease, but hadn't contracted the disease. However, he said, that if they tested positive for Lyme and had symptoms (lameness, fever, lethargy, etc..), then start treatment. Dr. Schultz elaborated by telling me that in vaccinology, immunology, the point is not to prevent infection, it is to prevent disease. In fact, low-grade infections are introduced to elicit immune responses, which is how vaccination works, by introducing an attenuated (weakened) antigen into the animal's system. Further, he said that a positive Lyme test in an ASYMPTOMATIC dog merely reflects the fact that the dog has been exposed; positive Lyme test in a dog with SYMPTOMS indicates that the animal has contracted the disease and needs treatment. Based on his advice, I have chosen to not vaccinate my dog(s) against Lyme. Below are links to a few articles on the subject which may help you in deciding whether or not to vaccinate your dog against Lyme. Lyme is a “killed” vaccine and is associated with clinically significant adverse reactions. According to the 2003 AAHA Guidelines (Page 16),** "…killed vaccines are much more likely to cause hypersensitivity reactions (e.g., immune-mediated disease)." Further, the AAHA task force reports on Page 18 that, **"Bacterial vaccines, especially killed whole organism products …..are much more likely to cause adverse reactions than subunit or live bacterial vaccines or MLV vaccines, especially if given topically. Several killed bacterial products are used as immunomodulators/adjuvants. Thus, their presence in a combination vaccine product may enhance or suppress the immune response or may cause an undesired response (e.g., IgE hypersensitivity or a class of antibody that is not protective)." Dr. Alice Wolf, Professor of Small Animal Internal Medicine at Texas A&M College of Veterinary Medicine, stated in an address Vaccines of the Present and Future http://www.vin.com/VINDBPub/SearchPB/Proceedings/PR05000/PR00141.htm at the 2001 World Small Animal Veterinary Association World Congress that Lyme vaccines : "are only partially effective and may cause serious immune-mediated consequences in some dogs that are as serious or more serious than the disease itself…..The most reactive vaccines for dogs include leptospirosis bacterin and Borrelia [Lyme]vaccine .". Canine Lyme, What's New? http://vettechs.blogspot.com/2005/11/canine-lyme-whats-new.html No Lyme Vaccine for Charlie Nancy Freedman Smith, Maine Today http://www.mainetoday.com/pets/dogslife/006006.html "It is not a scientifically based recommendation to suggest that all dogs in Maine should be vaccinated with Lyme Vaccine. There may be select areas in the state, "hot spots" where infection is very high and vaccination would be indicated, but dogs in most parts of the state would probably not receive benefit and may actually be at risk of adverse reactions if a large scale vaccination program was initiated. Wisconsin has a much higher risk of Lyme than Maine, however at our Veterinary Medical Teaching Hospital (VMTH) we have used almost no Lyme vaccine since it was first USDA approved in the early 1990's. What we have found is infection (not disease), in much of Wisconsin, is low (<10% infection). As you know, infection does not mean disease. About 3 to 4% of infected dogs develop disease. In contrast, in Western and Northwestern parts of Wisconsin infection occurs in 60 to 90% of all dogs. In those areas, vaccination is of benefit in reducing clinical disease. …..... Also, vaccinated dogs can develop disease as efficacy of the product is about 60 to 70% in preventing disease, thus antibiotics must be used in vaccinated dogs developing disease, just like it must be used in non-vaccinated diseased dogs. Therefore, in general areas with a low infection rate <10>50%) then the vaccine will be very useful. Thus, I believe it is irresponsible to suggest that all dogs in Maine should be vaccinated . Veterinarians should know, based on diagnoses in their clinic and other clinics in the area (town), how common the disease would be and they should base their judgment to vaccinate on risk, not on a statement that all dogs in Maine need Lyme vaccine! R.D. Schultz Ronald D. Schultz, Professor and Chair Department of Pathobiological Sciences School of Veterinary Medicine University of Wisconsin-Madison 2015 Linden Drive West Madison, WI 53706" LYME DISEASE: Fact from Fiction by Dr. Allen Schoen http://www.drschoen.com/articles_L1_11.html "**Research at Cornell University veterinary school brings up some suspicion that there may be potential long term side effects of the vaccine, though nothing is certain. These side effects may vary from rheumatoid arthritis and all the major symptoms of lyme disease to acute kidney failure." …... "Many veterinary schools and major veterinary centers do not recommend the vaccine for the same concern regarding potential side effects. " "I have seen all the symptoms of Lyme disease in dogs four to eight weeks after the vaccine and when I sent the western blot test to Cornell, it shows no evidence of the disease, only evidence of the dog having been vaccinated, yet the dog shows all the classic symptoms of the disease."** - Dr. Allen Schoen LYME DISEASE by Dr. R. Staubinger http://siriusdog.com/articles/article3.php?id=146 "The Borrelia burgdorferi Bacterin from Fort Dodge Laboratories is currently the only licensed Lyme disease vaccine for dogs. …... In a limited field study it was concluded that the incidence of disease (4.7 percent in infected, non-vaccinated dogs) was reduced to about one percent. However, the vaccine does not protect from actual infection. ….... We cannot recommend vaccination of dogs in endemic areas with the whole-cell bacterin until questions are resolved about clinical Lyme disease developing in dogs that have been properly vaccinated. " http://www.angelfire.com/biz/froghollerfilas/VaccBlanco.html This is a good article that speaks in general regarding the risks associated with vaccines. In addition a friend attended the Dr. Ron Schultz (he’s the preeminent immunologist who has done much of the duration of immunity research) seminar in March and this is a paraphrase of what he had to say about the Lyme vaccine: LYME VACCINE - Recommends against, even in New England where 75% of dogs show exposure. Only 1 year DOI. At least 10% false positives. Impossible to really confirm lyme disease. Too many dogs get clinical lyme from the vaccine and it is more likely to cause a worse type of arthritis than the dog would get from lyme disease itself. The vaccine does not prevent infection and really doesn’t prevent the disease either. In Schultz’s opinion: “Lyme disease is a media produced paranoia.” Humanssuffer the devastating effects of lyme much more frequently than dogs. Most dogs will fight on their own. A predisposed dog will get a worse case of lyme if vaccinated than if not vaccinated. In a lab setting, studies show “some” protection. But in actual field studies, the vaccine seems pretty useless. Lyme is easily treated with doxy once clinical signs appear. Lameness/arthritis is generally the first to show up. Only treat if clinical signs of lyme develop. Tests are not reliable since few are adequately trained in reading lab results. Anyone who wishes to have a copy of the American Animal Hospital Association's 2003 Canine Vaccine Guidelines referenced above, please contact me at ledgespring@lincoln.midcoast.com. I highly encourage people to share this report with all of the dog owners they know! Duration of Immunity to Canine Vaccines: What We Know and Don't Know, Dr. Ronald Schultz http://www.cedarbayvet.com/duration_of_immunity.htm The 2003 American Animal Hospital Association's Canine Vaccine Guidelines are accessible online at http://www.leerburg.com/special_report.htm . 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