Did she always have them or did they start after something/some time? Do antihistamines clear the problem?
Life Expectancy??
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Okay, so lets expand this conversation. What about dogs who have Fanconi? Once the disease is diagnosed, what is the average life expectancy beyond that?
My B is 8 (will be 9 in November) and was just diagnozed with Fanconi. We believe he's in the early stages of the disease. I'm hoping to hit 10 or 12 with him. Can't imagine life without this crazy dog. But then again, I have a hard time remembering what life was like before him. He made us childproof our home before we even started to think about having kids!
Sorry to hear that your B has Fanconi…. but glad that you caught it early... Maintance on the Fanconi Protocol depends on each dog.. and how they are at taking the pills and how Fanconi effects them.... I know one dog that lived to almost 13 on the protocol... I don't think that there is an "expected" age... due to the fact that each are effected a different way by Fanconi.
Good luck and hugs! And remember all to strip your Basenji every month
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Too bad these dogs don't come with owners manuals. I can honestly say that this forum was the absolute first place I had ever heard of testing a B monthly for the syndrome. None of the veterinarians I had ever talked to had mentioned it, and our B was a "free to a good home" who never mentioned anything about the disease.
We got lucky in the sense that we knew something wasn't right with our boy about 2 years ago and kept pestering our vet to test him regularly for everything and anything under the sun. It wasn't until this past weekend though that all the factors "came into alignment" and we were able to get a positive diagnosis. Good or bad? Depends on how you look at it. At least now we know what we are fighting and that he's not just a thirsty dog with a little bladder. smile
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I've met some people who have had B's live long lives with fanconi so stay positive. The protocol is a very good one & since you caught it early there's every reason to believe your furkid will live to a ripe old age
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Too bad these dogs don't come with owners manuals. I can honestly say that this forum was the absolute first place I had ever heard of testing a B monthly for the syndrome. None of the veterinarians I had ever talked to had mentioned it, and our B was a "free to a good home" who never mentioned anything about the disease.
We got lucky in the sense that we knew something wasn't right with our boy about 2 years ago and kept pestering our vet to test him regularly for everything and anything under the sun. It wasn't until this past weekend though that all the factors "came into alignment" and we were able to get a positive diagnosis. Good or bad? Depends on how you look at it. At least now we know what we are fighting and that he's not just a thirsty dog with a little bladder. smile
This is exactly why we (as responsible breeders) come down so hard on Back Yard Breeders and Pet Store puppies… potential owners are NOT told of the health concerns in the breed, Sires and Dams of pups are not tested... therefore keep producing pups carrying these so very dangerous genes.... Responsible breeders put much time and thought into each breeding and also we GIVE back to the breed by supporting the Health endowment with donations not only of money but DNA samples for heath testing development.
Public education is the key, keep "hammering" why it is important to buy from a responsible breeder. Do your research on line about breeds and the genetic problems, remember they all have them.. the difference between purebreds and mix breeds is that purebred breeders "know" the health problems.... mix breeds, there is no record, therefore many think they are healthier... (And I am not saying these are not good dogs...). only that breeders of purebreds have years of records and are the first to ID a genetic concern in the breed.Also, why it is so important that every Basenji owner print the protocol and have this placed in your Basenjis Vet file.... and that if they develop Fanconi they are put on this protocol immediately....
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Too bad these dogs don't come with owners manuals. I can honestly say that this forum was the absolute first place I had ever heard of testing a B monthly for the syndrome. None of the veterinarians I had ever talked to had mentioned it, and our B was a "free to a good home" who never mentioned anything about the disease.
We got lucky in the sense that we knew something wasn't right with our boy about 2 years ago and kept pestering our vet to test him regularly for everything and anything under the sun. It wasn't until this past weekend though that all the factors "came into alignment" and we were able to get a positive diagnosis. Good or bad? Depends on how you look at it. At least now we know what we are fighting and that he's not just a thirsty dog with a little bladder. smile
Good that he is on the Protocol now… and your right would have been nice had you been told about Fanconi up front and then you could have caught it even earlier... How is your Vet with using the Protocol?.... and/or contacting Dr. Gonto? Also, there is a Fanconi Yahoo list for only people with Fanconi dogs.
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We're having a "sit down" with the vet to discuss his test results in more detail and exactly how the protocol will be implemented. Not sure if he has contacted Dr. Gonto. At least my vet was familiar with the syndrome and the breed.
Forward please the yahoo list… I feel like a fish out of water yet.
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Too bad these dogs don't come with owners manuals.
Rockyswoman, there IS an owners manual –actually called, "The Basenji Owners Manual: http://www.evergreenbasenjiclub.org/bom.html
It's a small book, that a few people laughed about me having {"You have an owner's manual for your DOG???"} but I found it to be invaluable with my first B.
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You need to go to yahoo groups and search for the Fanconi list.. it is a closed list for only afflicted Basenjis…
And remember that Dr. Gonto is more then happy to discuss treatment, main thing is now that he needs to get on the protocol asap....
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Channayn lived to be 15 and was alpha to her dying breath. Moses is 13 he still is very active. He accompainies Tzonga (9), Mahendra (8?) and me in the foothills hiking and mnt biking. Biking he sets his own pace. 13 and 4 plates holding his pelvis together, he's not doing bad.
Then again, how long do people live? Africans tend to have shorter life spans. Some groups of Semites tend have life spans over 100. If I remember correctly, a rural Japanese woman just died at 114 or 116.
It just comes down to genetics. There is an ongoing program to expand the Basenji's gene pool by breeding with more African lines. It would be an interesting to catalogue death rates of Basenjis by genetic disposition.
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I don't think that expanding the gene pool will make a difference in length of live… and now with the Fanconi Linkage test, there is never an excuse to breed a dog that might become affected with Fanconi. And hopefully the word about the linkage test is passed far and wide so that BYB's and PM's are run out of business unless they start testing...
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We have had several basenjis live to be 16 and 17, and one that was almost 19 years that we were aware of, but she had come from a shelter so might have even been older. Her last year she was very feeble, but up to 16 she was still running around. My current oldest will be 12 Oct.1, and is more playful than the younger ones in spite of several health issues. I personally consider 8-10 to be just "adult" for basenjis, and "senior" starts at 12-14!
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I laughed when Rocky got the big orange "Senior" sticker put on his chart last year at the ripe ol' age of 8. He certainly still thinks he's a puppy! Regardless of what the pound vs age charts say!
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I don't think that expanding the gene pool will make a difference in length of live… and now with the Fanconi Linkage test, there is never an excuse to breed a dog that might become affected with Fanconi. And hopefully the word about the linkage test is passed far and wide so that BYB's and PM's are run out of business unless they start testing...
You bring to the fore a valid point. There is no reason to breed any canine with a history of health problems. That does not improve a breed; it's just bad business.
As genetic research advances, it is known that some illnesses are genetic in orgin and others are viral. With a viable genome and meticulous cataloging, a model can be produced to yeild the ideal make-up of a Basenji to extend life. Or maybe just improve quality of life.
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You bring to the fore a valid point. There is no reason to breed any canine with a history of health problems. That does not improve a breed; it's just bad business.
As genetic research advances, it is known that some illnesses are genetic in orgin and others are viral. With a viable genome and meticulous cataloging, a model can be produced to yeild the ideal make-up of a Basenji to extend life. Or maybe just improve quality of life.
To take this a bit further, remember with Basenjis, Fanconi and PRA are late onset, so of course now with the DNA test for Fanconi we can test for this before breeding, but for PRA we are (no pun intended) still flying blind….
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To Rocky and his woman…
I sent you a private message with the info about the Fanconi List and how to join.
I have belonged to this list for a long time; currently treating our 4th Fanconi dog.Terry
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Please excuse my ignorance in asking this question, but as more genetic testing becomes readily available (i.e., for fanconi and other genetic disorders), and based on testing results, breeders are going to be culling (for want of a better word) dogs/lines they have bred or had planned to breed, aren't we [necessarily] further narrowing our already small gene pool if entire lines can no longer be bred due to genetic deficiencies? If so, how are breeders going to deal with that? I know we've got some new blood that is, at this point, backstage (being Fanconi tested?), but it seems to me like the B breed, as we know it, is, heartbreakingly, in a vortex into oblivion…or am I being too pessimistic (I know I tend to be)?
Also, regarding irresponsible breeders: It seems to me that trusting them to breed Fanconi carrier to Fanconi clear would be an impossible supposition. JMO, of course.
(Please don't think I'm against genetic testing, I'm all for removing genetic disorders from the gene pool.)
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Once again, my ignorance showing-blushes-a male can be affected and still be bred to a clear bitch? The progeny will test as clear? It's not the same for an affected bitch? Or is it just too dangerous for an affected bitch to be bred?
With regard to the irresponsible breeder thing, I really wasn't thinking of them testing (good gosh, that'd cut into their profit margin!), but of them somehow getting ahold of, say, a male carrier and a female carrier and breeding them, introducing (I think) at least the possibility of an affected, thereby negating the careful breeding of clears to carriers in those lines and re-introducing [an instance of] Fanconi into the breed that could extrapolate exponentially.
Do you think the breed can ever be free of at least the threat of Fanconi? Although (obviously), I know nothing of genetics, it seems like the only way to completely obliterate it would be to only breed clear to clear, and that can't be possible with the small Basenji gene pool(?).
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Once again, my ignorance showing-blushes-a male can be affected and still be bred to a clear bitch? The progeny will test as clear? It's not the same for an affected bitch? Or is it just too dangerous for an affected bitch to be bred?
With regard to the irresponsible breeder thing, I really wasn't thinking of them testing (good gosh, that'd cut into their profit margin!), but of them somehow getting ahold of, say, a male carrier and a female carrier and breeding them, introducing (I think) at least the possibility of an affected, thereby negating the careful breeding of clears to carriers in those lines and re-introducing [an instance of] Fanconi into the breed that could extrapolate exponentially.
Do you think the breed can ever be free of at least the threat of Fanconi? Although (obviously), I know nothing of genetics, it seems like the only way to completely obliterate it would be to only breed clear to clear, and that can't be possible with the small Basenji gene pool(?).
Yes, affected males could be bred to clear bitches, know however that all pups will be carriers so then those must also be bred to clears…
It is NOT necessary to only breed clear to clear, that will really hurt the gene pool and put us in the same position that happened with HA which is also a recessive gene... you can safely breed Carrier to Clear, test the offspring to see what is clear and what is not. What not to ever breed is Carrier to Carrier, Affected to Carrier. As far as breeding affected bitches, IMO it is too much strain on the body to take that chance.... even if they are not yet expressing Fanconi. It is possible to breed out Fanconi, but only with careful breeding and not by throwing the baby out with the bath water...
Regarding "back yard breeders" and puppy mills breeding affected and/or carriers back into the gene pool, that will happen as they will never test.. the course of action is to educate the public on were to buy a puppy.. (and this goes for any breed) ....
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Well, responsbile breeders will test puppies before they leave, they will know who is carrier and who is clear….carriers that will be placed as pets must be placed in responsible homes that will show proof of spay and neuter. Carriers that are kept by breeders will be bred to clears, lather, rinse, repeat...
Some breeders may choose to keep only clears to go on with their breeding program...it would definitely be my priority, rather than show qualities...but it isn't a necessity.It will take years, and generations for the majority of breeders to have all clears.....but I have faith that it will happen. Particularly when the buying public knows that they can either buy a puppy that won't get Fanconi, or take their chances with an irresponsible breeder....
As far as the male affected question....it is a commonly held understaning that the stress of pregnancy on the kidneys causes a Fanconi affected bitch to start exhibiting symptoms, and to hasten the progression of the disease. It is mostly anecdotal, but does seem to run true among all breeders that have had a brood bitch start to spill sugar; it happens directly after raising a litter.
