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  • DukeD

    @luzmery928:

    Thanks Duke for this respond since I have not read threads concerning older kids and B's. I am definetly going to check that link out. My daughter is so frustrated by his behavior. We were trying to figure out y he is this way with her and thought maybe it had to do with the fact that she did not spend alot of time with him and he wanted to play nut yeaturday when she came home from school it was unbearable for her so she had to go in her room and well he peeded and pooped because he was left alone. So then I thought maybe it's because he thinks he's her owner since we play and cuddle with him and she is often doing her own thing (teenagers) so last night we all layed in bed together and he was left on the floor. Eventually he was allowed on the bed and they played for a while, he tried the nipping but eventually gave up and layed doen right on her chest. Oh by the way our little Champ no longer responds to the water bottle. He has realized it is just water and can be licked off so now HE LIKES IT!!!AGHHHH…tonight I'm stopping at a pet store for some bitter apple.

    If the scenario with your daughter is similar as it was with my son - it is likely because he gets attention from her. (even negative attention = reward to basenji) My guess is she responds to his behavior like my son did possibly with pushing and anger with words and eye contact?? Basenji thinks "If I nip, I get attention." (reward). If your daughter paid no attention when Champ nips, say she comes home, hangs up coat and sits at kitchen table with her books and ignores Champ. Champ goes away. Give him a few minutes of being good leaving her alone, then ask her to give Champ a nice hello and pet. If he nips again - same routine, no attention. I had to remind my son repeatedly to do this routine because his first instinct to being nipped is to retaliate with aggression. There are many training tips on the Basenji Companions website.

    Jill

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  • luzmery928L

    Yeah well Champ dosen't give up. She's done the ignoring but he dosen't stop. Only option is to go in her room. I mean he'll even start taking her books if she's doing homework. Maybe a baby gate will help in this case since he can't get to her but still see her. We can use it as a time out.

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  • luzmery928L

    Nomrbddgs…yes I completly agree about the toys, distraction, in the crate. This is something I am going to discuss with the guy when he comes Sun. I'm not gonna allow for him to tell me what to do only on his terms. We will work together. I have finally come to accept the crain..well at least enough to work with it and am glad to know that not all dogs like them and this is o.k. I just keep telling myself it is good for us all and hey I'm sure my daughter dosen't like all our rules but we do what's best.

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  • spitfirekrl1S

    Does anyone reading these strands think that this might be a dominant behavior? Like Champ is trying to win dominance over the daughter? Our B did this with my son (who is 7) for a while until we practiced some things that teaches the dog is not the dominant one over ANY human in our house. It almost sounds like the same scenario.

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  • spitfirekrl1S

    Along with no-bite methods, of course. Which we just held her snout firmly and told her no bite and stopped play which worked for us.

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  • luzmery928L

    yes I believe it's also a dominance behavior with him (I don't like that word it seems ike he's being aggresive) but anyway I also held held snout when he did this (also hard to do-that B is quick)and he tested me again and I did it again except this time he let out a yelp but I don't think I hurt it at least I hope I didn't. Two yelps and he stopped the nipping. But see we are not playing with him so we ignore but he keeps it up. Is my B the only one with sharp teeth, cause these nips hurt and because they hurt it's nearly impossible to ignore.

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  • DukeD

    Well, if the water bottle doesn't work anymore, how about coins taped inside a tin can that you throw down on the floor. It is supposed to startle them and change thinking direction. Otherwise, somewhere in this forum was a suggestion to use those caps that you buy at carnivals, especially if you don't want to keep getting up. You just throw them on the floor and they make a loud pop sound. Sorry luzmery928, I'm all out of ideas. Please don't try an idea and give up too quickly - choose one that seems workable from the start and stick with it for atleast week. Also, get bossy ;) and make everyone in the house follow your rule on it. Good luck!

    Jill

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  • luzmery928L

    thanks. Well I'm now moving on to the bitter apple and that can idea sounds good. I will update.

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  • QuercusQ

    I want to make sure you understand you don't spray the bitter apple at the dog…you put it on whatever the dog is trying to chew on :)

    And just to be perfectly clear...ignoring the behavior means silently GET UP, leave the puppy. If you just stay where you are, yes, he will continue to bite.

    And, no you aren't the only one whose puppy teeth hurt like heck. My husband just got bit on the nose because he decided to cuddle an excited puppy next to his face??? why...I don't know!

    Andrea Walters

    Quercus Basenjis

    NW Ohio

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  • luzmery928L

    Well thanks for telling me that cause I thought the bitter apple was used like the water spray. (Noone worry I would have read the instructions before use). Well them I guess I better buy the family size so we can bathe in the stuff. I do think the gate will work well with the nipping so we can get up and seclude him from us, like a time out.

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  • QuercusQ

    @spitfirekrl1:

    Along with no-bite methods, of course. Which we just held her snout firmly and told her no bite and stopped play which worked for us.

    A lot of people recommend this…but in the case of my worst play biter, it just made him more wound up. But for some dogs, that is all the correction they need. I have found that with most people if they are complaining about play biting, they have one of these over the top, play biting maniacs like my first Basenji was.

    Andrea Walters

    Quercus Basenjis

    NW Ohio

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  • DukeD

    @Quercus:

    I have found that with most people if they are complaining about play biting, they have one of these over the top, play biting maniacs like my first Basenji was.

    You are describing Duke! :eek: He just kept getting more, and more wound up when I tried to closing his muzzle - it made his/my problem worse. All the screaming "NO BITE!!" and muzzle holding for nothing - It just made me mad!! :mad: At my wits end, the passive aggressive approach worked best. :) Glad he finally has some respect for us now - :rolleyes:

    Jill

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  • luzmery928L

    Yeah and it can be tricky since if I don't grab it right I end up jabbing my finger tips straight into his pointy teeth..ouch for me. But I don't want to hurt him either and last night he did yelp twice so I'm not sure if it hurt him. As soon as he yelped, I let go and he opened his mouth and took out his tongue. I looked to make sure he didn't bite it.

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  • jys1011J

    My husband just got bit on the nose because he decided to cuddle an excited puppy next to his face??? why…I don't know!

    LOL LOL…I bet he learned his lesson :D

    Basenji Mom of C3PO & TOPAZ

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  • QuercusQ

    @jys1011:

    LOL LOL…I bet he learned his lesson :D

    No, I bet he didn't ;) He is my MOST resistant student!

    Andrea Walters

    Quercus Basenjis

    NW Ohio

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  • DukeD

    @Quercus:

    No, I bet he didn't ;) He is my MOST resistant student!

    :D Too funny Andrea! I also have one of those students and I "understand" the resistant type - LOL! Parachute collapse. :D

    Jill

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  • QuercusQ

    @Duke:

    :D Too funny Andrea! I also have one of those students and I "understand" the resistant type - LOL! Parachute collapse. :D

    Ha, ha! :D

    Andrea Walters

    Quercus Basenjis

    NW Ohio

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  • jys1011J

    Double ditto…I put up the dog rules on a bulletin board but ALAS he just doesn't GET IT :mad:

    ie-use the same command dear...use a watch exercise when you see a dog coming your way...do a uturn if the dog is too close to do a watch exercise. Praise for going potty...NADA :D

    Does anyone know of HUSBAND TRAINING classes at Pet Smart :D :D

    Basenji Mom of C3PO & TOPAZ

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  • youngandtiredY

    I think it is a man thing, I don't need to listen to you, I'll do what I want with our dog. I am trying to stop Sahara from play biteing when she wants our attention. She will try to bite your hand, or feet when you are trying to go to work. She knows when we are going, she is so smart. So, I get up when she does the bad behavior, say no bite, and ignore. Well, she is getting the picture, she hardly bites me anymore, but she still does my hubby. I tell him what to do and he just yells, "Stop Biteing", that drives me crazy. He just refuses to do what I tell him, he uses the wrong commands, not words she knows. I need to sign him up!!!!

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  • luzmery928L

    Just looking over my threads and decided to post this one as a SUCCESS since my dog nolonger poops when left out of another room and he is potty trained. Now that I look back at that period, not too long agao and remember how nuts he had me over that pooping issue, now I laugh cause it's done and we were able to move beyond it. Next step, still working on the nipping….One day at a time.

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