Alternative Colors?

[goldenfri]

I was looking at the Basenji description on the AKC website and I noticed that there seems to be non accepted alternative colors listed:

Colors

Description Type Code

Black & White S 019
Black Tan & White S 030
Brindle & White S 059
Red & White S 146
Black Brindle & White A 021
Blue Cream & White A 346
Cream & White A 077
Mahogany Tan & White A 347
Sable & White A 165

The last 4 colors I have never heard of and sound interesting. Does anyone have any pictures of basenjis with these colorings?

http://www.akc.org/breeds/basenji/color_markings.cfm

[Quercus]

Actually, they are all accepted…but in the show ring the last five would be considered a color fault. There is much argument about the Black, Brindle and White (or trindle) because it is a commonly occuring color when you breed a tri (or a dog carrying tri genes) to a brindle. But that is probably more info than you want

The other four colors are quite rare...so it is not a big issue among current day breeders. But IF you had one, you could certainly show it, but most judges would have no idea what color it is, or what to do with it.

If you go to this website:

http://www.basenji.org/african/project.htm

you can see some examples of other colors. Avongara Siri of Brushy Run is registered as a cream, I think….and I think what is called 'Sable & White' might be currently refered to as a "saddle marking" but I am not totally sure.

It is really fascinating, and sad (IMO) that the other colors were effectively bred out because early breeders prefered certain colors.

[BDawg]

Looks like a lot of the new African dogs featured on that website do not have very curly tails.

[lvoss]

The very curly tails that most people are used to in the domestics is a trait that has been selected for by breeders since they were first imported in the late '30s onward. If you look at the pictures of the early imports you will see that there was a large variety in the amount of tail curl.

Interviews with native people suggest that the very tightly curled tails are not preferred for hunting in bush because if they do not uncurl readily when snagged they lead to tail injuries and amputation.

[Quercus]

@lvoss:

The very curly tails that most people are used to in the domestics is a trait that has been selected for by breeders since they were first imported in the late '30s onward. If you look at the pictures of the early imports you will see that there was a large variety in the amount of tail curl.

Interviews with native people suggest that the very tightly curled tails are not preferred for hunting in bush because if they do not uncurl readily when snagged they lead to tail injuries and amputation.

Not to mention catching stuff like a big paperclip! I noticed someone has a pic in the gallery of a dog with grass? caught in her tail? Can you just see a dog running through the brush carrying sticks, vines, and leaves in it's tail

The curliness of the tail is really not all that important of a trait to "be" a basenji. It should curl up over the back..but a curlier tail doesn't make a dog a more 'perfect' basenji. As Lisa said, it is a trait western breeders liked, so they selected for it. Same has been said for small ears….

[lvoss]

As for examples of the alternative colors,

Black, brindle, and white as Andrea has said is the most common as it is a combination that will naturally result because we have both tris and brindles. A very good picture of one can be seen if you click on Tazi at this website, http://www.ktcampbell.com/taji/family_tree_fs.html

Nyanabiem is a mahogany, http://basenji.org/african/Nyanabie.htm

There are examples of true creams and some blues though it is difficult to see what is really meant by blue on this website, http://www.newworldbasenjis.net/OldAds.htm

Siri's breeder wanted to register her as a blue fawn as she is really a dilute red not a cream. Her picture is at, http://basenji.org/african/Siri.htm

As for sable, there is much debate on what is actually meant by this term. Some will say dogs with a black saddle are sables others will tell you it is dogs who have black tips to their red hair. A good example of a saddle can be seen at http://basenji.org/african/B_Tena.htm

[BDawg]

IMO the curly tail is just SOOOOOO cute!!

[jys1011]

This is true…C3PO has a lot of African in him & his tail is not as curly as Topaz. His tail is a sort of loose swirl kinda like his personality

[Ambered]

vegas and sunshine's daddy Bojak's Undercover Kojak is listed as a sable. as far as i can tell he is a really dark chesnut. i know he was the #3 or 4 basenji one year and still is very high on the AKC stud list. found a picture of him here
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o164/Ambered_photos/PedigreeKojak.jpg

maybe there are some black tips that i cant see?

wow! i never saw siri before, absolutely gorgeous!

[Quercus]

@Ambered:

vegas and sunshine's daddy Bojak's Undercover Kojak is listed as a sable. as far as i can tell he is a really dark chesnut. i know he was the #3 or 4 basenji one year and still is very high on the AKC stud list. found a picture of him here
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o164/Ambered_photos/PedigreeKojak.jpg

maybe there are some black tips that i cant see?

wow! i never saw siri before, absolutely gorgeous!

I can't imagine why he would be listed as a sable…that must be a mistake. For one thing he looks like a typical red/white, and for another thing, an "off" color dog has never been that high in the standings, nor stud list. He may be a tri factored red...which means he carries the tri genes. Often red dogs that are tri factored have black hair on the top of their tail, behind their ears, and sometimes throughout their coats when they are puppies. By the time they are grown, they are solid red.

[goldenfri]

Thanks for all of the great responses, this stuff is really interesting to me. I think its a shame that some colors seem to get lost because of early preferences. Its also too bad most of the pictures are black and white which makes it hard to see the colors.

As far as the curly tails, I would imagine that they would be troublesome in the woods because mine have very tight curls and they can't walk under the playstation controller wire without almost pulling the whole thing with them.

[Basenji_Boy]

@goldenfri:

As far as the curly tails, I would imagine that they would be troublesome in the woods because mine have very tight curls and they can't walk under the playstation controller wire without almost pulling the whole thing with them.

It's funny, our two more African B's can make their tail go completely limp. Eating, or sleeping seem to be when they do it the most. The others, the tail is so curled, no way it ever goes limp.

[YodelDogs]

@Ambered:

vegas and sunshine's daddy Bojak's Undercover Kojak is listed as a sable. as far as i can tell he is a really dark chesnut.

I saw "Jack" many, many times over the years and he was most definately a red with no sabling.

[YodelDogs]

Cream puppies were born in many of the litters of the earliest imports. The creams were not albinos but were instead cream with white markings in the same areas you see in other colors. But the dogs did have pinkish noses and greenish eyes and early breeders found that unattracted. Thus the creams were not used for breeding.

The blue tris came from tris (Black, tan, white) who carried the cream gene. The color was frowned upon by breeders of that era and thus creams and blue tris have been virtually eradicated from the breed. Such a pity as I find both colors very attractive and I would love to have one someday.

[Ambered]

@YodelDogs:

The blue tris came from tris (Black, tan, white) who carried the cream gene. The color was frowned upon by breeders of that era and thus creams and blue tris have been virtually eradicated from the breed. Such a pity as I find both colors very attractive and I would love to have one someday.

me too! i also love the "brown paperbag" basenjis. reds with no white on their face….soo cute.

[JazzysMom]

It's funny, our two more African B's can make their tail go completely limp. >>Eating, or sleeping seem to be when they do it the most. The others, the >>tail is so curled, no way it ever goes limp

Jazz is not African, and her tail is tightly curled most of the time. But she does frequently uncurl it.

i also love the "brown paperbag" basenjis. reds with no white on their >>face….soo cute.

I prefer a white-less face. I guess that's why I love Jazzy's look so much. She just has a little white around her nose. Seems to make the eyes stand out more.

[Quercus]

Dr. Tracy told me one time…'everyone likes the face markings that their first basenji has/had' I like a medium/thin white blaze, not too much...not too little...just like Querk's His daughter Luna, has a little to much for (my) perfection...and Bella (avitar) has not quite enough

[JazzysMom]

Dr. Tracy told me one time…'everyone likes the face markings that their >>first basenji has/had'

Do you think that is by chance? Or perhaps the pups were selected because of the look?

[Quercus]

@JazzysMom:

Dr. Tracy told me one time…'everyone likes the face markings that their >>first basenji has/had'

Do you think that is by chance? Or perhaps the pups were selected because of the look?

Well, most of people that I know didn't exactly select their pup out of the litter…it was a directed select by the breeder. We knew we were getting one of two boys out of a litter of four...and we ended up getting Querk (tinkey winkey!)...we probably would have chosen his brother Po, if the choice had been ours, because Po was a little more laid back Po had very little white on his face, and I think that if we had him, we would probably prefer very little white on the face

I think you just learn to prefer the face that you adore first

[Ambered]

haha, i think you are right. fender has a symmetrical white streak-my absolute perfect. when i went to meet him i had not seen a picture, i saw him and knew it was fate. lol.
"love at first sight"