New Adoptee of 1 Year Old DIESEL in Wisconsin Needs to Form Basenji Train to Michigan

[dcmclcm4]

A shelter will usually euthanize a dog if they know it has a bite history. Do you know if he has ever bitten anyone before? Is there anyone nearby that can at least evaluate the dog? Perhaps someone from Minneapolis. Has BRAT been contacted about this dog about wanting to be given up? I do not know if BRAT will take a dog that has a bite history but because of the special circumstances regarding the bite-forced into a crate, perhaps it will.

Jennifer

[wizard]

I (living in Minnesota) might consider helping get the dog started on his way to Michigan if I knew for sure what the current situation was.
Is Dave taking this dog?
Does the dog have a bite history beyond the one person?
Will the dog go in a kennel?
If the answers are "yes, no, yes" is there someone in eastern Wisconsin or northern Illinois who could help with continuation of transport?

[eeeefarm]

IMO people get entirely too excited about a minor bite. So much more information is needed, particularly the circumstances of the bite, and the nature of the relationship between the biter and the bitee. Basenjis often get a bad rap because they will stand on their dignity and not be bossed around by people they don't consider their superior. Dogs I have adopted have taken time before they are willing to accept me as head of household, and the "boss of them". My current boy bit me the day he arrived. I forgave him but I would never trust him with someone he doesn't know well, if they were attempting to assert their authority. I can do that now, I could not for quite awhile after he arrived.

A dog that bites unprovoked is, of course, an entirely different proposition.

[dcmclcm4]

Trying to push a Basenji into a crate/kennel that may have been never kenneled is a major problem especially if done by someone this dog does not know!

Jennifer

[tanza]

The problem with a dog that bites is there are legal issues…. regardless of the reason. Shelters do not look at why a bite took place, same with BRAT. BRAT will not take dogs that have any bite history at all... Shelters will PTS. It is a sad situation all the way around. But when Diesel's owner first came on the forum, I think we all knew this was a bad situation. This was the start of the thread on Diesel

http://www.basenjiforums.com/showthread.php?13317-In-need-of-a-little-assistance

[DAVEampPIPET]

I'll start by saying that at no time has ANYTHING other but the full truth EVER been typed up in this format, any other course or conjecture to some form of a lie is an insult to the current owner and me.

So, Yes, Diesel did bite the woman who was trying to get him to go into an unwanted crate. She is fine, unflustered and sadly, with small children around, she wishes to again put Diesel out to another owner, and that owner is again…ME! At this point all the cards are dealt and it is been stripped to the barest bones of the situation, Diesel needs a home within one week or he goes to the SHELTER. This would be a massive injustice to him as he is just a baby and only just learning....and that, at the hands of inexperienced Basenji owners who really have tried their best but cannot make it work.

My home is perfect and well appointed for Diesel and we can get by and take very good care of him. I believe my 5 year old Pipet, will do just fine with him given time and training and all the love to work them together and help them form a solid canine bond as only Basenji's know how. So, if ANYONE can assist me in getting Diesel across this portion of the Mid West it would be a blessing for him and a miracle for us all. He is in Eau Claire, WI and I am in Pontiac, Mi. I can get to just south of Chicago and back home in a day, this way I do not need to overnight anywhere, though I will be prepared to do so if need be. I will be the point person to get any interested party in touch with the owner Tessa, who is a very nice young woman and the person in Wisconsin who certainly cares the most about Diesel, we need to help soothe her aching heart and get Diesel home.

I THANK ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR GOOD WISHES AND ANY HELP YOU MAY OFFER.

@TwinDogsDifferentMothers:

We can easily understand why anyone would be confused by this situation. Maybe if the whole truth came out the situation would be better understood. Either way it certainly does not help the dog at this point.

This is a sad sad situation that probably goes on more than we know. Sometimes it is necessary to set ones pride aside in order to do what is best for the dog. So far that has not happened in this case.

To David,

If this dog has actually bitten someone and does not have its shots, its like playing Russian roulette with both the dog and person's life.

[TwinDogsDifferentMothers]

@eeeefarm:

IMO people get entirely too excited about a minor bite. So much more information is needed, particularly the circumstances of the bite, and the nature of the relationship between the biter and the bitee. Basenjis often get a bad rap because they will stand on their dignity and not be bossed around by people they don't consider their superior. Dogs I have adopted have taken time before they are willing to accept me as head of household, and the "boss of them". My current boy bit me the day he arrived. I forgave him but I would never trust him with someone he doesn't know well, if they were attempting to assert their authority. I can do that now, I could not for quite awhile after he arrived.

A dog that bites unprovoked is, of course, an entirely different proposition.

More than likely this dog is biting out of fear. This dog has been re-homed at least three times by our count. In fact this Basenji might not even be a year old. How much damage has already been done to this dog and what are the chances that he will recover from it? This is a dog that has never known stability except with his first owner.

[DAVEampPIPET]

I am taking Diesel as long as I can find a way to get him here. The biting incident is a non-issue for those writing about it….by NON I mean that it was a very minor occurrence provoked by trying to assert ones power over the puppy, which all of us have commented on as a Basenji trait that is well understood and worked with by every owner at some time or another, nipping goes away with maturity but is understood for now....bottom line is- He Does Not Bite! He is not a "Biter", he was just doing what they all do.

As for me, I have one week to get this done somehow. The situation has changed 4 times in 12 day's as they have attempted to place him close to them so Tessa could still have some contact with Diesel as she loves him.....we also understand this drive. But she has faced his reality and getting him to me is her desire, I am fully qualified as a Basenji owner of 5 great year's and many exotic pets previously....I am an animal person tried and true. So HELP is what we need, no more debate about biting or vets or law enforcement, the points are moot. We must get him to a stable home that will never change in his lifetime and that's what I plan to provide. THANKS TO ALL!

@wizard:

I (living in Minnesota) might consider helping get the dog started on his way to Michigan if I knew for sure what the current situation was.
Is Dave taking this dog?
Does the dog have a bite history beyond the one person?
Will the dog go in a kennel?
If the answers are "yes, no, yes" is there someone in eastern Wisconsin or northern Illinois who could help with continuation of transport?

[DAVEampPIPET]

And sorry, the answers ARE Yes, No, Yes. I have a photo of him in his crate, though I think that not unlike my own girl Pipet, he is starting to see the crate as possible punishment rather than a home base, which we know also does not work out well in the long run…but then I do not use crates in my home......It is my understanding he is fine in the crate cages for the driving aspect. I will confirm this with Tessa right now.

[DAVEampPIPET]

He has not had it at all "bad" really, he is just seen a lot of moving in the last 10 day's. Before that he was with his 4 month owner which was his only home after birth and life with mom. Yes, he has been to 2 other homes in the last 8 day's…so this is by no means a troubled dog, he is a bit confused to be sure, but not wrecked by endless owners or anything. I am quite sure he will settle in very nicely with me and Pipet given love, patience and lots more love!

[TwinDogsDifferentMothers]

@DAVE&PIPET:

I'll start by saying that at no time has ANYTHING other but the full truth EVER been typed up in this format, any other course or conjecture to some form of a lie is an insult to the current owner and me.

So, Yes, Diesel did bite the woman who was trying to get him to go into an unwanted crate. She is fine, unflustered and sadly, with small children around, she wishes to again put Diesel out to another owner, and that owner is again…ME! At this point all the cards are dealt and it is been stripped to the barest bones of the situation, Diesel needs a home within one week or he goes to the SHELTER. This would be a massive injustice to him as he is just a baby and only just learning....and that, at the hands of inexperienced Basenji owners who really have tried their best but cannot make it work.

My home is perfect and well appointed for Diesel and we can get by and take very good care of him. I believe my 5 year old Pipet, will do just fine with him given time and training and all the love to work them together and help them form a solid canine bond as only Basenji's know how. So, if ANYONE can assist me in getting Diesel across this portion of the Mid West it would be a blessing for him and a miracle for us all. He is in Eau Claire, WI and I am in Pontiac, Mi. I can get to just south of Chicago and back home in a day, this way I do not need to overnight anywhere, though I will be prepared to do so if need be. I will be the point person to get any interested party in touch with the owner Tessa, who is a very nice young woman and the person in Wisconsin who certainly cares the most about Diesel, we need to help soothe her aching heart and get Diesel home.

I THANK ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR GOOD WISHES AND ANY HELP YOU MAY OFFER.

Really Dave, do you honestly believe that?

There is no conjecture here or any insult. The original person that posted and claimed to own this Dog (Diesel) said that she had figured out and solved the biting issue. Apparently this is not true? Want to dispute that?

Did you ever track down the original owner/s and speak with them? Did you ever receive or see any proof of distemper or rabies shots?

Would it surprise you to know that original poster attempted to make a profit when she listed Diesel on Craigs list over what she paid for the dog originally?

Its time to wake up and smell the coffee, not everyone tells the truth!

We are not saying we do not want you to have Diesel. We do now and did before and certainly think its a better situation for him. Its really too bad you did not get him to start with.

By the way the original name of this dog was Roscoe.

[DAVEampPIPET]

I've followed all these threads, but thanks just the same. I am not interested in his past as he is a baby, he needs a stable home and that is my issue He also has Vet papers regarding shots and whatnot that I will require for ownership to be transferred. We'll sort out what he wants to be called if he gets here.

[EskiLovr]

@DAVE&PIPET:

I've followed all these threads, but thanks just the same. I am not interested in his past as he is a baby, he needs a stable home and that is my issue He also has Vet papers regarding shots and whatnot that I will require for ownership to be transferred. We'll sort out what he wants to be called if he gets here.

Dave, what will happen if you make all these arrangements and are ready to get him and there are no vet papers? Would you break your own heart and leave him? I don't think you would so it is important to think about these possibilities ahead of time. I want to see this dog get the very best care possible and I wish you no further heartbreak in this. I think that will be best achieved with eyes wide open. Is there a way for you to get copies of the papers ahead of time?

[Moth]

@DAVE&PIPET:

I'll start by saying that at no time has ANYTHING other but the full truth EVER been typed up in this format, any other course or conjecture to some form of a lie is an insult to the current owner and me.

So, Yes, Diesel did bite the woman who was trying to get him to go into an unwanted crate. She is fine, unflustered and sadly, with small children around, she wishes to again put Diesel out to another owner, and that owner is again…ME! At this point all the cards are dealt and it is been stripped to the barest bones of the situation, Diesel needs a home within one week or he goes to the SHELTER. This would be a massive injustice to him as he is just a baby and only just learning....and that, at the hands of inexperienced Basenji owners who really have tried their best but cannot make it work.

My home is perfect and well appointed for Diesel and we can get by and take very good care of him. I believe my 5 year old Pipet, will do just fine with him given time and training and all the love to work them together and help them form a solid canine bond as only Basenji's know how. So, if ANYONE can assist me in getting Diesel across this portion of the Mid West it would be a blessing for him and a miracle for us all. He is in Eau Claire, WI and I am in Pontiac, Mi. I can get to just south of Chicago and back home in a day, this way I do not need to overnight anywhere, though I will be prepared to do so if need be. I will be the point person to get any interested party in touch with the owner Tessa, who is a very nice young woman and the person in Wisconsin who certainly cares the most about Diesel, we need to help soothe her aching heart and get Diesel home.

I THANK ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR GOOD WISHES AND ANY HELP YOU MAY OFFER.

Dave,

This is an organization that helps transport dogs across the US. http://operationroger.rescuegroups.org/

You may want to contact and see if they can help.

I am out of town for the weekend…but will try to check back on the board and see if there is more I can do,

[DAVEampPIPET]

I've asked all the right questions and made all the pertinent requests. I have asked for a full reckoning of all known information, owners and any info relative to his birth, line and papers. Though earlier posts state that Tessa did not get papers from the previous owner, looking at recent photos of Diesel/Roscoe tell the tale of a dog about 1 year old, definitely still a pup, so how much could go wrong in one year? I don't honestly know, but I do know that he gets along very well with Tessa, she is giving him up because her fiance needs a dog he can be the boss of (for lack of a gentler description - I mean no offense at that as many dog owner's want the same thing). As to what I would do if there are no papers, I have asked for the number of the Vet he has seen while in their care, as a one year old he should have been seen at around 10 moths or so…..barring that info I would opt for having him get a full check up before I took ownership.....if he is healthy.. I am in, some adoptions cannot be perfect and as I am an imperfect man I can certainly accept a beautiful pup who needs love into my slightly unconventional lifestyle....because it works great for us (me and Pipet that is). I am not going to sweat these details if he is healthy is my bottom line.

@EskiLovr:

Dave, what will happen if you make all these arrangements and are ready to get him and there are no vet papers? Would you break your own heart and leave him? I don't think you would so it is important to think about these possibilities ahead of time. I want to see this dog get the very best care possible and I wish you no further heartbreak in this. I think that will be best achieved with eyes wide open. Is there a way for you to get copies of the papers ahead of time?

[Chealsie508]

Wizard, that's so nice of you to help with the transport! I hope Dave take you up on it…regardless of the situation ( which to me really does sound like a young dog who got the short end of the stick and to top it off is getting a bad rap because he's got issues and no one seems to see why). I'd like for you to keep us updated, I am vey much hoping you figure out a way to get him to you...

[DAVEampPIPET]

Hi Wizard! I really appreciate your willingness to possibly assist in all this as it is truly the only way I can afford currently, to make it happen as I have some medical stuff of my own to tend to. As to the biting history, he has been said to be "nippy" and as that was what I used to speak about Pipet - my 5 year old (and incidentally - why is my profile picture not showing up on my posts…or is it?)....I do not worry that Diesel can and will learn through the same training method I employed for Pipet, to stop biting and I am certain loads of love and stability will benefit his personality and current underlying conflict/issues.

I guess we need to find the other person in Illinois or southern Wisconsin to assist us further. A very nice member has offered to throw in some gas money if we get this organized. I know the one week scenario is not a good one for any adoption, but I consider all the shifts Diesel has endured these past 2 weeks and my heart just aches to get him into a chair that is his, a couch that is half his and a yard he can chase Pipet around until he collapses unconscious in my loving arms!! PLEASE REACH OUT WITH ANY AND ALL IDEAS!!! Thank You Basenji People!!

@wizard:

I (living in Minnesota) might consider helping get the dog started on his way to Michigan if I knew for sure what the current situation was.
Is Dave taking this dog?
Does the dog have a bite history beyond the one person?
Will the dog go in a kennel?
If the answers are "yes, no, yes" is there someone in eastern Wisconsin or northern Illinois who could help with continuation of transport?

[wizard]

Dave,
I won't have a free day until after June 20 unfortunately and we still need someone to get him through Chicago.
Have you contacted BRAT or this transport option - http://operationroger.rescuegroups.org/
Would you consider sending him by air as a last resort?

[DebraDownSouth]

Dave, ignore the dire nonsense that the dog will not recover from all the trauma. My concern is more about temperament than the rehoming issues/stress. Dogs who have been horribly abused – in ways that just hearing the details would make any human throw up-- stable dogs recover.

Bless you for being willing to take on a dog who has a bite history. Can you afford to BOARD the dog til wizard can get him OR can you convince the woman, if move is guaranteed, to hold off til after the 20th OR get the original owners to hold that long? Please do contact BRAT to see if they can help. I have a friend who has Rotty rescue in Indiana/Ky area and she may have contact. I will private message you her address... never mind I called her. She said no one up that far in Wisconsin and would take time to arrange also. If Brat can't help, if they can't hold out, then you said you WOULD drive before if you had to and it may come down to that.

[DAVEampPIPET]

I have a friend just outside of Chicago who is trying to get something going for that part of the trip and maybe all the way to me. I will speak with her later on today and as soon as I know more I will post it here for all to see and we will find out what is left to do then. (I'm off to spend half the day getting oral surgery, Oh Boy! Lucky me!) I will be in touch by this afternoon. THANKS WIZARD!

@wizard:

Dave,
I won't have a free day until after June 20 unfortunately and we still need someone to get him through Chicago.
Have you contacted BRAT or this transport option - http://operationroger.rescuegroups.org/
Would you consider sending him by air as a last resort?