Skip to content

Liberian outcross dogs

Basenji Talk
  • For those of you interested in the dogs from Liberia which resulted from the long-term breeding program that actively selected for basenji-like traits in the dogs at the site, attached please find two pictures of the Liberian dogs produced by this selective breeding program. This is the dog type that was introduced through the Liberian outcross into the Basenji breed from the Congo.
    I have not asked anyone to take my word for the fact that these are not Basenjis.
    attachment_t_11902_0_liberiandog.jpg
    attachment_t_11902_1_liberiandogs.jpg

  • Nevermind. I got the info I needed from the closed thread.

  • Just by way of background, those pix are from an excellent article by Veronica Tudor Williams that appeared in the May-June 1979 issue of the BCOA Bulletin. The article in its entirety (plus some additional pix) is available on the BCOA website in the African Stock Project Library. The title is "Colour - Sense of Nonsense." VTW makes an excellent point about Basenji type taking precedence over color and pattern. The article indicates that the photos Jo posted of the Liberian dogs were circulated originally to show how "Basenji like" they were - but it is fairly obvious if you read the full article that VTW did not agree.

  • I missed something somewhere. What is this a response to?

  • Robyn, go to Basenji Forums - Your Online Basenji Community > Basenji Breeding & Showing > Breeder Talk
    Imports and Process of stud book acceptance
    its a closed thread. This came up with other things before Alex shut it down.

  • Hi Robyn - My reply was in response to Dr. Jo's post about dominant blacks down from Liberian stock. I am new to the forums, so not entirely sure how things work here - but I was posting in response to the pix from VTW's article that Jo posted, just to give some background.

  • The photos in the first post were taken of dogs that were in Liberia but they have not, to my knowledge, ever been identified. There is no evidence that these animals were owned by anyone at the Firestone Plantation or if they were ever used in the breedings that were done there.

    There were only 4 Liberian-born dogs that entered the gene pool of our modern day Basenjis; Miliku, Kogi, Kiki of Cryon, and Taysenji Tahzu. I have not seen any photos of Miliku or Kogi but Kiki and Tahzu look like pure Basenjis to me.

  • I have been getting to know the BCOA through the BCOA archives, a fabulous endeavor that Donna DeFlorio (and all her helper bees) has been working hard at.

    I am currently reading the 1968 BCOA Bulletin https://www.basenji.org/Bulletin/1968BN/BN1968MA.pdf and happened upon some letters to the editors in reference to someone who sent in a picture of the Liberian black dogs. I remembered seeing this same pic posted by Jo and thought folks would like to read even more about what others thought of them.

    As I learn more, I will post more but hopefully folks can research stuff like this themselves using the archives - this is a great learning tool for members. There is always more than one side to every story and certainly more than one expert opinion. Both Coptokin and Horsley kennels were THE kennels of their time - one would hope they knew a basenji when they saw one. :-0

    It's also interesting to read of all the political BS that occurred at that time and seems to continue to this very day.

    Somethings never change, just the players involved. A life lesson to be sure.

  • Oops, forgot to tell you page numbers which could help. page 19 and continued on page 22. And page 32 for another note.

  • That is interesting and funny how the commentary could have been lifted word for word from the discussions going on today.

Suggested Topics

  • Bullying dogs - dog psychology questions

    Basenji Talk
    7
    0 Votes
    7 Posts
    2k Views
    KipawaK
    Well, the lab I mentioned (chocolate overweight one) almost took me out by slamming into my knee. I commented loudly " he better not insure my knee!" No comment from the owner. Others were keeping an eye on this over exhuberant dog too. Many peeps were standing behind a bench for protection. What really bugs me is that the park has very visible signs when you enter it that say you must have control of your dog.
  • Garbage Dog

    Basenji Talk
    15
    0 Votes
    15 Posts
    4k Views
    BasenjimammaB
    How about serv'n up some flap jacks with that butter Petra? not yet..but he probably moves in on them soon..right now fruit is high on the list of things we have got to steal, come hell and high water..
  • Dog Barrier ?

    Basenji Talk
    19
    0 Votes
    19 Posts
    3k Views
    JazzysMomJ
    @tanza: Got ya…. and how nice of her to sit up and puke!!! :eek: I am lucky (knock on wood) all mine ride great... crate pads keep them from sliding around and they just sleep anyway.... Sure makes clean-up easier! I used to keep wipes in the car to clean her, esp. before shows! ew. I just layer plastic bags in the trash can, and tie 'em off as used, then toss when we get to where there's an outside trash can. I'd make video to show, but really, that'd be gross :eek: She's really good in her harness, so it works out quite well. As I said, Keoki continues to be my car challenge in terms of how to best travel with him. But he loves going in the car in general.
  • Teaser dog

    Basenji Talk
    7
    0 Votes
    7 Posts
    2k Views
    BasenjiDivaB
    When Cory and Jayden get into something special (in their eyes) that they suspect they aren't supposed to have, they go and hide in a chair so they can examine it and chew it in private. There is no "Let's go show Mom!". Often Cory will rat Jayden out. She will make such a fuss that I've learned to recognize her "tattling" ruckus. If I want to get on the computer, I have to secure them in the room with me or put them outside. If not, Jayden WILL find something for them to get into. He is tall for a basenji and I swear he can use his front paws like hands! Pat
  • My dog is so dumb- My dog is so smart

    Basenji Talk
    14
    0 Votes
    14 Posts
    5k Views
    J
    Hollie will hide her treats and her dog food. Her favorite hiding place is under MY pillow in the bed. She has tried to hide her entire food bowl by pushing one of her plush toys with her nose in an attempt to get the toy on top of her food bowl. Why doesn't she just use her mouth to pick it up and place it on the bowl? Silly dog!
  • Dog aggressive

    Basenji Talk
    8
    0 Votes
    8 Posts
    4k Views
    P
    hi, my boy hates dobermans because he was attacked by one, the little ones are fine!!!!.go figure!!. try to introduce through the fence it might take months!!. but give it a try. i didthis last week with a med ,size dob and he wasnt realy sure what to do but didnt'growl or napp at the dog!!!. try this and let me know how it goes, still trying thangs myself too. i'll keep u informed if something works!!.