Anyone know this breeder… in NY?
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Here are the red flags that I see and would be very wary of.
They do not give enough information about their dogs like registered name for someone to verify information like AKC registration and health testing status.
The seem unaware that though female breeding animals in cats are called queens in dogs they are called dams.
They have two prices for their animals pets at $900 which is probably within normal for the area for a puppy from verifiably health tested parents and $2000 for "show" which is grossly out of line with normal especially with no way to verify anything like parent titles and accomplishments. It is also fairly uncommon for most dog breeders now to have tiered pricing though it stills seems quite common in the cat world.
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Sorry… but anyone not offering up their name ontheir website is fishy to me.
No "kennel" name for their show dogs...
and no pedigrees to show you these supposed show dogs...
and one OFA cert from a yearling that is old enough to have hips/elbows/etc. to be done.. yet only fanconi.
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Nope, I'm a member of the Rip Van Wrinkle basenji club, which is fairly close to their location and I have never heard of them. I showed extensively in that area in the early to mid 90's and never ran across one of their dogs at a show in that region so I can't give you any info on them.
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Rip Van Wrinkle… cute name for a Basenji club.
I agree that there are a lot of red flags. The generic OFA certificate (and only for Fanconi) is especially puzzling to me. It's like ANYONE with a brindle B boy of approximately the same age can claim that certification as their own... And if their dam has "won several shows," why not put all that information out there?
Is this about the time of year when Basenji pups appear all over the place? I know there are many highly anticipated ones on this forum, and I'm so happy to welcome them too, and to vicariously experience other people's puppies. But it is also eye-opening to see what goes on in the "rest" of the non-forum world, as it were...
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There is a gal on this forum.. Gerri McCann [can't remember if I sp that right] and she has posted on their blog about how great their dogs are and such…
so perhaps she knows more than the little on their site.I don't know how anyone would know their dogs since there are nothing but call names posted... and the one that was fanconi tested was tested as a puppy... and was not AKC registered. So not sure what type of shows they actually do.
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Khanis, your memory is impressive!
The unspayed adult female that was returned and being resold as a show prospect is now gone…
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Lisa Simmon's bitch Miss P (she just had puppies) is SunDiata's Kamili Uhuru. Her 'kennel' name is Northeast Exotic Breeders. That's what I found out anyway.
Yes, This is true.. Though, Miss P's last litter was over a year ago.. I wanted to clarify a couple of things for everyone…
We have just created our blog and are still working on many aspects of the site.. There will be many new features coming soon including links to our testing. The reason I had posted Ace's, "Ahmahr Nahr's ace number one" actual certificate is because we do work with people who do not have as much knowledge of the process and realize they may want to see the actual certificate. We will be including Offa links to the testing for all of our dogs in the near feature..
Our Dam Sizzle, registered name, "Mariah's lets get the fire started". and has won several shows before she came home to us. Our sire "Ebony" registered name, "Mibre's ebb magic man to Ahmahr Nahr".I have just Joined the forums here and would be more than happy to answer any questions you have.
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Health testing?
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Welcome, Basenjiblogs. I posted about your site under the assumption that you would eventually find your way here, and I'm glad you did. I think there's a lot of essential information and extremely knowledgeable Basenji people here. If you are breeding, I would think that you will want to be part of a community as an active participant, whether it's online in a forum like this or in the show ring/local breed clubs/etc.
I am not a breeder, but I have learned a lot from this forum since acquiring my pet Basenji. As someone on the "other", non-breeding side, I really appreciate it when breeder websites aim for an audience of knowledgeable puppy buyers by making the education process part of the website itself, and including all information about health testing, registered names, OFA entries, etc., without having to be asked for it. It may very well be that the people you work with do not have knowledge of the process, but it may also be that some people DO have knowledge of the process and respond critically to what they don't see on the website by skipping over your litters altogether.
Hopefully you'll find these comments to be constructive…
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Thank You Curlytails. I do appreciate you comments and welcome them. I do also understand that our site has a long way to go. I am constantly working to improve it. But, far from done..
We have been "lurking" here for a while and would like to become more involved. We do realize that there are a lot of very knowledgeable folks here and believe that we can learn a lot. Hopefully, making some new friends along the way. We have not been as involved as we should have been recently with showing our Basenji's but are planning to do so this spring. We have also began working with another breeder whom we consider to be very accomplished and respected in the basenji world, to become more educated and involved in the community. "I am sure they are a member here and will let them decide if they wish to be named". -
The reason I had posted Ace's, "Ahmahr Nahr's ace number one" actual certificate is because we do work with people who do not have as much knowledge of the process and realize they may want to see the actual certificate.
And yet the certificate you posted is so vague that it could have easily been any brindle boy, in fact that is the "name" on the certificate. It does not identify the tested dog as Ace or Ahmahr Nahr's ace number one. If that was enough for the buyers to feel comfortable that the parents were adequately tested then they are seriously under educated about health testing. What about the dam? Both parents should be tested before breeding.
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I do also understand that our site has a long way to go. I am constantly working to improve it.
believe that we can learn a lot.
We have also began working with another breeder whom we consider to be very accomplished and respected in the basenji world, to become more educated and involved in the community. .Your site concerns no one, it is the testing and lack of upfront information that is the concern. The best puppymillers have superb webpages. That isn't how responsible breeders are judged.
Too bad you didn't learn a lot before diving into breeding.
I hope you are sincere about wanting to learn and do things right. Will be watching for your responses on testing.
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Your site concerns no one, it is the testing and lack of upfront information that is the concern. The best puppymillers have superb webpages. That isn't how responsible breeders are judged.
Too bad you didn't learn a lot before diving into breeding.
I hope you are sincere about wanting to learn and do things right. Will be watching for your responses on testing.
Debradownsouth, I realize to you and some others we may be looked at as a back yard breeder. I suppose I can understand why! Our goal though, is to be a responsible breeder.. I can admit that maybe we did jump the gun and had more to learn before breeding our dogs. but, We do realize this and are trying to take steps to correct this.. Such as, joining here on the forums in an attempt to make new friends and to learn as much about our beloved breed as we can.
Though we might not have started in the correct manner we are looking to change that, We came here in hopes of meeting people that are knowledgeable of this breed and are willing to share their knowledge with us so that we can make responsible breeding choices. Although, I am starting to get the impression that some members of this community have no desire to help "new comers" and would rather push them away than take the time to guide them into better ways.Again, Maybe we got off on the wrong foot here on the forums. That was not my intent and I would like to start over if we can…. We do all share a common goal here and our love for this breed is what drives us all. :)
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Although, I am starting to get the impression that some members of this community have no desire to help "new comers" and would rather push them away than take the time to guide them into better ways.
I am positive that no one feels this way. Everyone here, humans and dogs, benefits when there are more responsible breeders. If your goal is truly to be a responsible breeder, people will support that goal. They'll also speak their minds about what is NOT responsible. Some of those things might be opinion, but most of them are universally agreed upon.
I hope your mentor is solid and plain-spoken :)
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If you truly plan to become responsible people will support you but actions speak louder than words. Your sig block alone, still speaks towards your choice to use the accomplishments of others to add value to your own dogs as a selling point. What are your accomplishments with your dogs? What is your involvement in the basenji community?
