For Sale: Basenji?s Two Males and Two Females for Sale in Idaho, Twin Falls Full AK
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Heinz…I believe she meant "carrier" and not affected...
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You do no help to the breed by breeding to produce pets. You really don't. Not at any price. Only reported testing:
SIMBA THE BASENJI KING HP32463703 BASENJI M BRINDLE & WHITE Jun 10 2009 6 BJ-FAC2608/6M-NOPI FANCONI SYNDROME
Maybe I am tired, but it says 6 yrs old but then birthdate makes him 2.
http://www.offa.org/display.html?appnum=1374108#animalNo records coming up for Tippy Tigress. In fact I don't find a tippy tigress in akc either. Nothing for tigress, and under tippy/basenji:
Reg. Number Dog Name
HC112116 Tippy Boy
HB642291 Tippy Lady Of Mesa
HD855797 Tippy Obsinare Shaundel
HC374509 Tippy Of Ti-Mungai
HC077203 Tippy Two Of Valjoh's Kristy LeeSad.
Debbie, what do you mean by not breeding to produce pets? Aren't they all pets :) ? I mean, breeding with disregard for the standard would be counter productive, but so would breeding for disregard for temperament, health, or other any other good "pet" traits.
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I think what Debra means, is that every litter produces pets but breeding simply to sell pet puppies is not beneficial to the breed especially when rescue has so many young dogs that need homes.
Responsible breeding means a lot more than simply taking to fanconi tested dogs and having puppies. These puppies should have been spoken for before the breeding ever took place.
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I love the puppy on last picture :)
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I agree. It seems sometime people on forums tend to get riled quickly. I'd like to give this breeder the benefit of the doubt. However, the fact that they have 4 pups "left over" leads me to believe they didn't have a waiting list or anything like that.
I don't have a B yet, but i've been on the list for about 5 months on a pup from a litter that was born on the 29th of December. One of the many reasons I this breed was that its rarity usually leads to a high percentage of responsible breeding. Or at least thats been my experience.
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That's not a black/white, it's a trindle (black, brindle, and white).
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they have these pups advertised on another site domesticsale
http://www.domesticsale.com/Classifieds/410068.html
nothing about testing mentioned in this ad
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I meant positive carriers. As I actually STATED, since the the sire/dam are a probably clear and a carrier, the pups won't HAVE fanconi.
It seems sometime people on forums tend to get riled quickly. I'd like to give this breeder the benefit of the doubt.
One of the many reasons I this breed was that its rarity usually leads to a high percentage of responsible breeding. Or at least thats been my experience.
And yes, I meant breeding to have puppies to sell for pets. Breeding should be to improve the breed, to enhance it. Not to be a business producing "batches" of puppies in order to make money selling them.
Sadly, that "higher percent" of responsible breeding is starting to fade… hence the flood of dogs into rescue with several dozen from one place in FL and the person having many more churning out in his other location still. :(
Nor did I have to give the person benefit of doubt or guess... the testing and lack there of, the proof that he bred his stud before it was a year old, that the ONLY test was fanconi, that the sire/dam and behind it almost no testing (one had hips I think), no titles... right there on OFA site. We won't even get into not knowing coat colors. People should not even think about breeding til they know the genetics of the breed they are considering. Dear spirits, I am VERY good on Rottie genetics, and I wouldn't even call my self a neophyte with Basenji, and even I understand bare basics of Basenjis coat colors.
And in fact, more bad stuff... the sire and dam of Tippy are BOTH CARRIERS... That part of her pups not carriers is good news for her.
TAMMIES TIPPY TIGRESS
http://www.offa.org/display.html?appnum=1374109#animal
Registration: HP28414906 (AKC) Sire: HP02801001
Breed: BASENJI Dam: HP02954806
Sex: F *Titles:
Color: BRINDLE & WHITE CHIC #:
Birthdate: Dec 11 2007Sire/Dam Registration Birthdate Sex Relation FANCONI SYNDROME
MALIK REGAL TIGER HP02801001 Dec 2 2002 M Sire BJ-FAC1228/60M-NOPI-CAR
MERTLE FAITHFUL LADY HP02954806 Dec 9 2002 F Dam BJ-FAC1230/59F-NOPI-CAR -
A responsible breeder would also be registering them correctly.
The PP are correct… you cannot get a black/white without breeding to one and there is clearly tan cheek markings on your "black/white" therefore it is not a black/white.I did not see any other health testing on your sire/dam... so do you know what issues could be passed down with these breedings?
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I may get lambasted because of what I'm going to say, but if so, so be it.
1. There's a section here called "For Sale", with a specific format to present your information. That format was followed.
2. People are allowed to sell basenjis on other websites.
I hope people who have already posted would re-read their posts. Several people comment that "A responsible breeder", inferring that this person is NOT a responsible breeder. I don't think that's fair. We don't "know" this person, and yes, there are several breeders on here that I feel that I know, because they post often, and I sincerely respect their opinions. They truly help all of us petowners to understand different aspects of basenji health that we probably didn't know when we purchased our first basenji. Or rescued the ensuing second, third, and fourth basenji. :)
I appreciate when people ask questions about the dog's pedigree, or post health-related concerns, because as I read this, I understand the breed better.
These beautiful puppies are for sale, which was the first post of this thread. This person did not ask for astronomical amounts of money. Yes, I would call a litter of puppies a "batch" too, lol… no harm, no foul. I mis-speak all of the time... if you look, most of my posts are edited. :)
I've only been around basenjis for 8 years, but I've read that back in the 80s/90s, the breed was being riddled with health-related issues due to the genetic pool in the USA being too small, which is why people went to Africa to get "fresh blood", so to speak. So to make a general statement that there are too many basenji breeders in the USA is not fair, in my opinion. To say that breeding should not be continued because there are too many dogs in rescue is unrealistic, in my opinion... and the truth is that basenjis are in a rescue situation because of irresponsible PEOPLE… not necessarily because of irresponsible breeders.
While I have no idea who this breeder is, neither does anyone else on this forum. This person is new, and if we ever want to expand "our" gene pool and get "fresh blood" on here, then I respectfully request that we don't come to judgement of this person based upon two or three posts. This person is NOT James Holland, but appears to be from a family that loves the breed and bred two AKC basenjis. That is not a crime in itself. Not understanding the difference between black and white and a trindle isn't a crime, nor does it make one irresponsible. (I had never heard of the term before either!).
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I am sorry but if you are going to breed a breed of dogs then you should be an expert on the breed. You should have done lots of research and be an active member of the basenji community including having mentors that know a lot about the breed. If you don't know the common colors in the breed then you are not ready to be breeding, you haven't done near enough research. If a breeder doesn't know the common colors in the breed what else don't they know? How about all the common health issues and their mode of inheritance? What about up to date socialization methods?
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I've only been around basenjis for 8 years, but I've read that back in the 80s/90s, the breed was being riddled with health-related issues due to the genetic pool in the USA being too small, which is why people went to Africa to get "fresh blood", so to speak. So to make a general statement that there are too many basenji breeders in the USA is not fair, in my opinion. To say that breeding should not be continued because there are too many dogs in rescue is unrealistic, in my opinion… and the truth is that basenjis are in a rescue situation because of irresponsible PEOPLE… not necessarily because of irresponsible breeders.
Irresponsible owners get their pups from irresponsible breeders… because if the breeder was responsible they would be screening the people wanting to purchase a puppy... and if not a fit, tell them that is not the breed for them. So I disagree with your statement.
And I also disagree that the Breed was "so" riddled with health-related issues that the trip to Africa happened.... While that was one of the reasons, to help expand the gene pool with new bloodlines, it was not the only reason. So unless these dogs come from the lines brought in from the 80's, these are NOT new bloodlines.
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Several people comment that "A responsible breeder", inferring that this person is NOT a responsible breeder. I don't think that's fair. We don't "know" this person,
This person did not ask for astronomical amounts of money.
So to make a general statement that there are too many basenji breeders in the USA is not fair, in my opinion. To say that breeding should not be continued because there are too many dogs in rescue is unrealistic
We don't have to KNOW the person. The pedigrees and health issues say it all.
We don't have to KNOW the person. Their lack of knowledge says it all.
We are fair to evaluate that someone with no knowledge that breeds without health testing and basic genetic knowledge IS NOT RESPONSIBLE.
I didn't read anyone say this person shouldn't breed because too many breeders or too many dogs in rescue. The ONLY issue is being a responsible breeder, and nothing about this is responsible. Responsible means you do every thing you can to ensure that IF you create puppies, you have done everything to make sure they have the best CHANCE of health, that the people getting them have the best CHANCE of healthy puppies. PRICE is not the issue. At FREE an unhealthy pup is too expensive!
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I am sorry but if you are going to breed a breed of dogs then you should be an expert on the breed. You should have done lots of research and be an active member of the basenji community including having mentors that know a lot about the breed. If you don't know the common colors in the breed then you are not ready to be breeding, you haven't done near enough research. If a breeder doesn't know the common colors in the breed what else don't they know? How about all the common health issues and their mode of inheritance? What about up to date socialization methods?
I completely agree with this!
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So to make a general statement that there are too many basenji breeders in the USA is not fair, in my opinion. To say that breeding should not be continued because there are too many dogs in rescue is unrealistic, in my opinion… and the truth is that basenjis are in a rescue situation because of irresponsible PEOPLE… not necessarily because of irresponsible breeders.
Irresponsible owners get their pups from irresponsible breeders… because if the breeder was responsible they would be screening the people wanting to purchase a puppy... and if not a fit, tell them that is not the breed for them.
While I agree with points in both views, I have to agree with Patty M. that it is ultimately the owner of the dog, not the breeder, who causes the dog to be in rescue. Without a doubt, careful screening can help make sure that a pup goes into a "forever" home but truthfully, we have no control on what happens after the pup leaves our home.
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Without a doubt, careful screening can help make sure that a pup goes into a "forever" home but truthfully, we have no control on what happens after the pup leaves our home.
You don't have COMPLETE control, but you have some. With nearly 20 yrs of breeding ROTTWEILERS for crying out loud, I have found that any owner I make sure to stay in touch with, that I let know I am ALWAYS their one source for rehoming or issues, I have had precisely ONE owner disappear off the face of the earth (after a divorce). Although I only bred 5 litters, my first litter was 13 pups, the rest 4 to 8. When I have lost contact, I call the vet and I always get family references so I can find them (except, oh yeah, the guy who got a divorce). Yes it is ultimately the owner.
But, responsible breeders are sought by knowledgeable pet owners. Responsible breeders EDUCATE homes so they decrease the chance of rehoming. Responsible breeders discuss back ups, options and make sure the owner knows they never have to dump a dog into rescue. Does it totally eliminate the issue… no. But it is an amazing start.
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While I agree with points in both views, I have to agree with Patty M. that it is ultimately the owner of the dog, not the breeder, who causes the dog to be in rescue. Without a doubt, careful screening can help make sure that a pup goes into a "forever" home but truthfully, we have no control on what happens after the pup leaves our home.
I disagree with you for the most part Robyn… why? Because most of us responsible breeders take the pups back... and as they say, "**** happens"... these people that just sell puppies for the buck could care less who buys as long as they have the money.
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Kim, it appears that either someone is selling one of your puppies for you, or they hi-jacked one of your photos and aren't selling anything… I found this on Craig's List with a different contact phone number:
http://pullman.craigslist.org/pet/2150411040.html
AKC Basenji (Moscow)–------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 2011-01-08, 11:52AM PST
Reply to: comm-99u3m-2150411040@craigslist.org
–------------------------------------------------------------------------------I have a nine week old female red and white Basenji for a rehoming fee. She has AKC registration, first shots and deworming, and has breeding rights. If you are not familiar with the breed they are medium sized full grown. Wiegh around twenty pounds and get about 17 inches. They are a very unique breed with cat like characteristics. They are affectionate, and do well with children, dogs, and strangers IF socialized. They do not do well when left alone, so it is best for a family that someone is usually home or it has other dogs for friends. PLEASE research the breed to make sure it is the right fit. They are hard to find in Idaho, and can be a good companion with the right training. She has been started on crate training, house breaking, clicker training with treats and started on training sit, shake, and down. This breed is not easy to train, but with the right owner will be a great pet. Call or text 208-358-5833
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I find it a little ironic that someone would call someone out about not knowing what "trindle" is. I don't consider myself an expert. Im pretty sure trindle is a made up word. I beleive the AKC color is called Black, brindle and white.
We are all entitled to out opinions. We are also entitled to breed whatever dogs we choose to. I think bashing the person who is trying to sell this litter isn't going to help anything. Did anyone consider reaching out to this person and helping them make better decisions in the future. I feel after this thread they probably won't be visiting this forum again.
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Trindle is not a made up word… well all words are made up. But the person put black and white, which it isn't.
Yes, you are entitled to breed what you want... spoken like a true byb/pm supporter! Again, education and bashing, sometimes it might be pretty close call to say which. But bobbing your head in approval only enables. You go ahead and bob. I can only wonder if your seeking a puppy, having problems etc is leading you to support byb and then get one from a byb? Regardless, half your posts on this forum so far are in support of byb.
